SOS question

[LA_Mustang]

BYU has a SOS rank of 17
non-conference:
Colorado College
Anchorage Alaska
Weber State
Stanford
Mount St Mary's
Colorado Mesa
#21 Iowa St
Texas
#12 Wichita St
Utah St
north Texas
UMass
Prairie View A&M
Utah
#13 Oregon

In conference they played one ranked team
#25 Gonzaga

SMU has a SOS of 137
TCU
Rhode Island
Arkansas
Texas St
Arkansas PB
Sam Houston St.
Virginia
Texas A&M
McNeese St
Illinois Chicago
Texas - Pan America
Wyoming

In conference:
4 ranked teams (UConn, Memphis, Cincinnati and Louisville)


How is BYU's schedule THAT much better than ours?

[LA_Mustang]

They played 7 games against teams in the tourney going 3-4

We played 9 games against teams in the tourney going 4-5

[SMU Section F]

It comes down to the fact that their bad teams weren't as bad as our bad teams. There are 351 Division I basketball teams, but most people consider any team 100+ (or even 50+) to be a bad team. As a few others have mentioned we don't necessarily need to get Kansas or Duke on our schedule, we just need to make sure our bad teams aren't actually TERRIBLE teams.

Before anyone jumps on me, I want to make it clear that I think SMU got screwed tonight. I'm just saying in future years we need to try and get more 50-150 teams on our schedule and avoid the 150+ teams as much as possible. (Especially as long as there are multiple 150+ teams on our conference schedule.)

[East Coast Mustang]

Excellent points- we got HOSED

[CalallenStang]

Any team on there that isn't D-1 doesn't count

[CA Mustang]

OOC opponents
TCU 9-22 & 0-18 Horrible team that won't be dropped, but should be the only bad team scheduled.
Rhode Island 14-18 & 5-11 Bad A-10 team that doesn't help you SOS.
Arkansas 21-11 & 10-8 Solid SEC team, barely missed NCAA as well.
Texas St 8-23 & 4-14 Another last-place team (Sunbelt). UALR or UTA would have been better.
Arkansas PB 13-18 & 11-7 Bad SWAC team.
Sam Houston St. 23-10 & 13-5 Decent, a much better Southland team.
Virginia 27-6 & 16-2 ACC champs much better than expected.
Texas A&M 17-15 & 8-10 A competitive SEC team, but nothing special.
McNeese St 11-20 & 9-9 Another middle of the pack Southland team doesn't help.
Illinois Chicago 6-25 & 1-15 Last place (by a large margin) in the Horizon League.
Texas - Pan America 9-23 & 5-11 Last place in WAC, another bad team.
Wyoming 18-14 & 9-9 Decent MWC squad.
Hofstra 10-23 & 5-11 Another bad team, next to last in CAA.

SMU played FOUR last place teams: TCU (Big 12), TPA (WAC), TSU (Sunbelt) & UIC (Horizon). Granted you can't project exact records before the season starts, but I seriously doubt it was a big surprise that those schools finished in last place in their respective leagues.

[Pony147]

I posted this somewhere else. These were the games that pulled us down so much. Replace these teams with RPI's between 75 and 150 and we have a very good OOC schedule

RPI Team
265 Arkansas-Pine Bluff
273 McNeese State
279 Hofstra
306 Texas State
311 Texas-Pan American
315 @ Illinois-Chicago

[mavsrage311]

Excellent points- we got HOSED

ANY WAY you look at this. I'm not going to get over this for a long, long time.

[OhioBrownFan]

It comes down to the fact that their bad teams weren't as bad as our bad teams. There are 351 Division I basketball teams, but most people consider any team 100+ (or even 50+) to be a bad team. As a few others have mentioned we don't necessarily need to get Kansas or Duke on our schedule, we just need to make sure our bad teams aren't actually TERRIBLE teams.

Before anyone jumps on me, I want to make it clear that I think SMU got screwed tonight. I'm just saying in future years we need to try and get more 50-150 teams on our schedule and avoid the 150+ teams as much as possible. (Especially as long as there are multiple 150+ teams on our conference schedule.)

Nailed it. Any team above RPI 100+ is a bad team. Anyone that is RPI 150+ is an awful team. That is why their schedule is "harder" even though there are less games on that schedule where they are the "underdog." SMU's schedule was top heavy, then a big blank space, then a bunch of [deleted] teams. Still got screwed.

[PonyKris89]

It comes down to the fact that their bad teams weren't as bad as our bad teams. There are 351 Division I basketball teams, but most people consider any team 100+ (or even 50+) to be a bad team. As a few others have mentioned we don't necessarily need to get Kansas or Duke on our schedule, we just need to make sure our bad teams aren't actually TERRIBLE teams.

Before anyone jumps on me, I want to make it clear that I think SMU got screwed tonight. I'm just saying in future years we need to try and get more 50-150 teams on our schedule and avoid the 150+ teams as much as possible. (Especially as long as there are multiple 150+ teams on our conference schedule.)

Nailed it. Any team above RPI 100+ is a bad team. Anyone that is RPI 150+ is an awful team. That is why their schedule is "harder" even though there are less games on that schedule where they are the "underdog." SMU's schedule was top heavy, then a big blank space, then a bunch of [deleted] teams. Still got screwed.

This is a prime case where the eye ball test should factor in, big time. RPI and SOS is an Effing short cut to thinking.

[OhioBrownFan]

It comes down to the fact that their bad teams weren't as bad as our bad teams. There are 351 Division I basketball teams, but most people consider any team 100+ (or even 50+) to be a bad team. As a few others have mentioned we don't necessarily need to get Kansas or Duke on our schedule, we just need to make sure our bad teams aren't actually TERRIBLE teams.

Before anyone jumps on me, I want to make it clear that I think SMU got screwed tonight. I'm just saying in future years we need to try and get more 50-150 teams on our schedule and avoid the 150+ teams as much as possible. (Especially as long as there are multiple 150+ teams on our conference schedule.)

Nailed it. Any team above RPI 100+ is a bad team. Anyone that is RPI 150+ is an awful team. That is why their schedule is "harder" even though there are less games on that schedule where they are the "underdog." SMU's schedule was top heavy, then a big blank space, then a bunch of [deleted] teams. Still got screwed.

This is a prime case where the eye ball test should factor in, big time. RPI and SOS is an Effing short cut to thinking.

It's pretty bad when I got buddies who don't give [deleted] about SMU are tweeting that they should be in and got screwed. And the one buddy in particular doesn't even like SMU. I know it doesn't matter and doesn't make the situation better but on the bright side, people are recognizing it. I figured it would go unnoticed to be honest, but there are quite a few people talking about it. Louisville fans are probably p*ssed too I'd imagine about the 4 seed.

[PonyKris89]

Yep, SMU is the national poster child for getting screwed. Welcome to our world.
Thanks for the support, OBF!

[OhioBrownFan]

Yep, SMU is the national poster child for getting screwed. Welcome to our world.
Thanks for the support, OBF!

lol, and there was a time I thought you guys just said it to explain when something didn't bounce their way. It's hard not to believe it after tonight to some degree. Not sure what's worse, how bad the top of the AAC got punished or SMU missing the tourney. Clearly the committee had it out for the conference as a whole, SMU was a bi-product. Just disgusting, and I'm going to laugh when Louisville wins it.

I know one thing, I've never been so pumped to watch the NIT in my life, in fact I don't think I've ever even watched more than half of a game. I will be now though

[PonyKris89]

Yep, SMU is the national poster child for getting screwed. Welcome to our world.
Thanks for the support, OBF!

lol, and there was a time I thought you guys just said it to explain when something didn't bounce their way. It's hard not to believe it after tonight to some degree. Not sure what's worse, how bad the top of the AAC got punished or SMU missing the tourney. Clearly the committee had it out for the conference as a whole, SMU was a bi-product. Just disgusting, and I'm going to laugh when Louisville wins it.

I know one thing, I've never been so pumped to watch the NIT in my life, in fact I don't think I've ever even watched more than half of a game. I will be now though

Yes, everyone in AAC got screwed. I don't care if Louisville is leaving, I am hoping and thinking that they will hammer everyone to the Championship again... and then hammer the ACC next season!

and SMU gets NC State next season. That will be delicious, especially if at Moody!

[ponyscott]

Guys SMU doesnt have the athletic budget to play higher ranked teams unless you want to travel and play at thier stadiums...if you talk to the SMU coaches and those in the know...its common knowledge that the big basketball schools PAY for the higher ranked RPI teams to come play at their house. Maybe now that we get good crowds at Moody, we can afford to pay for those teams to travel to Moody, but with the great home record SMU has, it will be tough to get them to come here to play and possibly lose....just saying.