Official OOC Schedule

[B1GPonyFan]

Sooner or later (and whether you like it or not) trying to hold on to rivalries is going to be bad for business in the world of big-time college athletics.

Texas and Texas A&M have moved on after 90+ years.

Nebraska and Oklahoma moved on after 80+ years.

Michigan and Notre Dame are watching their rivalry dissolve.

This will be the trend. Although I believe SMU will do what it can to maintain the rivalry with TCU, I also believe that SMU has to think about its future with TCU not in it. Don't think TCU has given thought to the same about a future without SMU in it. At some point, their leadership may consider what real benefit there is to playing SMU (if it hasn't already). The bottom line is that SMU needs to be prepared for that kind of future with the volatility surrounding college athletics.

[East Coast Mustang]

Sooner or later (and whether you like it or not) trying to hold on to rivalries is going to be bad for business in the world of big-time college athletics.

Texas and Texas A&M have moved on after 90+ years.

Nebraska and Oklahoma moved on after 80+ years.

Michigan and Notre Dame are watching their rivalry dissolve.

This will be the trend. Although I believe SMU will do what it can to maintain the rivalry with TCU, I do believe that SMU has to think about its future with TCU not in it.

Not sure how it's bad for business for us...it sells out everytime TCU comes to Ford. If anything they'd be the ones to drop it, but they seem like having an away OOC game every other year that's easy for their plans to travel to as well- Del Conte said as much last year, that they were content with one P5 opponent, one FCS opponent, and us every year as their OOC. I think it would be a shame if we ever stopped playing TCU in football for an extended period of time.

[Grant Carter]

[quote="East Coast Mustang"]...This is one of the dumbest arguments I've ever seen on PF and that's obviously saying a lot...

So is the bashing of the 2014-15 SMU OOC men's basketball schedule by the nitwits who they think they know all there is to know about schedule.


BTW, whatever with TCU

Bashing the schedule before the season is played is stupid IMO. Michigan and IU could be juggernauts this year, or they could be NIT teams. Predicting how "tough" an OOC schedule is preseason is an inexact science at best. FWIW I like our OOC schedule, I think it will give us numerous opportunities to showcase an elite team across the country.

Well, Michigan is going to be just an average team this year because they lost so much and that game in Ann Arbor should be a gimme. But where in the world is UTEP on this schedule? And why isn't UTEP coming to Moody? Geez, Larry. What's the matter with you? Should you even be coaching this team?[/quote]
You slay so many strawmen.

[B1GPonyFan]

I prefer to view it as addressing the absurd with the absurd. That's exactly what happened here with the gang of 30 and their whine and cheese fest.

[LA_Mustang]

I totally agree with ECM. How in the world is playing TCU bad for business? In basketball, they will draw more ticket sales and interest than playing any other non-ranked, non-power school. In football, it is a guaranteed sellout and a game against a quality team. BIGPony, please explain what you mean by playing rivals is bad for business? That maybe the craziest thing you've ever posted on here. Texas/OU, Michigan/Ohio St, Duke/UNC, Alabama/Auburn, Florida/FSU, USC/UCLA are HUGE draws for college sports - these games are money makers, produce big tv ratings, and get the fan bases jacked up like nothing else. If UT and A&M played again the "business" that would come from the game would be through the roof.

[East Coast Mustang]

Also, our game against TCU is likely the first or second highest rated TV game we appear in all season. Good for exposure for us, too.

I'd love for B1G to give us his list of replacement teams he'd rather see us play

[Stallion]

We should really go back and calculate what our football attendance actually is without those rivals like TCU, A&M, Baylor and Tech? 14-15,000? in a good year 12,000-13,000 in some prior years. In basketball now that season tickets have firmed up scheduling a local rival doesn't make as much sense SINCE the tickets are already sold. No net financial gain like the HUGE financial gain by playing local rivals in Football. National P5's aren't going to come play in Ford anyway. In case you haven't noticed there have been about 15 games in DFW without any DFW team in recent years. We can't pay them a millions of dollars to play in a 32,000 seat stadium when they can make 8-10 times more just by scheduling an extra home game or playing a Jerry World. The Economics of most of these arguments is off especially all those proposing wild scheduling off far off P5 powers in Football. 1) they aren't interested for the money we got and 2) we aren't interesting for the lack fans in the area they got. That's why we play regional rivals which has been financially beneficial to all Texas teams. These old SWC rivalries are putting butts in seats across the state

[B1GPonyFan]

Reading to me that SMU needs TCU more than TCU needs SMU. Reads to me line desperation and that we don't want to acknowledge that this could happen.

Got it, thanks

[East Coast Mustang]

We should really go back and calculate what our football attendance actually is without those rivals like TCU, A&M, Baylor and Tech? 14-15,000? in a good year 12,000-13,000 in some prior years. In basketball now that season tickets have firmed up scheduling a local rival doesn't make as much sense SINCE the tickets are already sold. No net financial gain like the HUGE financial gain by playing local rivals in Football. National P5's aren't going to come play in Ford anyway. In case you haven't noticed there have been about 15 games in DFW without any DFW team in recent years. We can't pay them a millions of dollars to play in a 32,000 seat stadium when they can make 8-10 times more just by scheduling an extra home game or playing a Jerry World. The Economics of most of these arguments is off especially all those proposing wild scheduling off far off P5 powers in Football. 1) they aren't interested for the money we got and 2) we aren't interesting for the lack fans in the area they got. That's why we play regional rivals which has been financially beneficial to all Texas teams. These old SWC rivalries are putting butts in seats across the state

I've always thought that in addition to TCU, we should also try to schedule P5 teams at Ford who would travel well and like exposure in Dallas but maybe couldn't sell out a mammoth venue like Jerryworld:

Ole Miss
Miss St
Vanderbilt
Mizzou
Iowa
Northwestern
Cal...

to name a few.

TCU has Ohio State coming to Ft. Worth in like 2018 or something- and their stadium only holds about 10K more than Ford when you account for standing room.

[Big12Mustang]

We should really go back and calculate what our football attendance actually is without those rivals like TCU, A&M, Baylor and Tech? 14-15,000? in a good year 12,000-13,000 in some prior years. In basketball now that season tickets have firmed up scheduling a local rival doesn't make as much sense SINCE the tickets are already sold. No net financial gain like the HUGE financial gain by playing local rivals in Football. National P5's aren't going to come play in Ford anyway. In case you haven't noticed there have been about 15 games in DFW without any DFW team in recent years. We can't pay them a millions of dollars to play in a 32,000 seat stadium when they can make 8-10 times more just by scheduling an extra home game or playing a Jerry World. The Economics of most of these arguments is off especially all those proposing wild scheduling off far off P5 powers in Football. 1) they aren't interested for the money we got and 2) we aren't interesting for the lack fans in the area they got. That's why we play regional rivals which has been financially beneficial to all Texas teams. These old SWC rivalries are putting butts in seats across the state

I've always thought that in addition to TCU, we should also try to schedule P5 teams at Ford who would travel well and like exposure in Dallas but maybe couldn't sell out a mammoth venue like Jerryworld:

Ole Miss
Miss St
Vanderbilt
Mizzou
Iowa
Northwestern
Cal...

to name a few.

TCU has Ohio State coming to Ft. Worth in like 2018 or something- and their stadium only holds about 10K more than Ford when you account for standing room.

I would be up for scheduling Cal in Basketball and Football home and homes. Having them in the NIT was fun and they seem like a good fit for us as their programs are similar to ours right now.

[LA_Mustang]

Reading to me that SMU needs TCU more than TCU needs SMU. Reads to me line desperation and that we don't want to acknowledge that this could happen.

Got it, thanks

Are you going to answer the question, why are rivalries bad business for major college sports?

Or just keep whining.

[sbsmith]

Reading to me that SMU needs TCU more than TCU needs SMU.

Got it, thanks

It reads that way because it's true. It's a damn miracle they kept us playing us this long.

[B1GPonyFan]

Reading to me that SMU needs TCU more than TCU needs SMU. Reads to me line desperation and that we don't want to acknowledge that this could happen.

Got it, thanks

Are you going to answer the question, why are rivalries bad business for major college sports?

Or just keep whining.

Why isn't utep in moody? Michigan is horrible.

[East Coast Mustang]

^ True, but we're an easy schedule for them, too. They don't want to load up on tough OOC games with their Big 12 schedule and Dallas is an easy road trip for their fan base. I think it's pretty mutually beneficial .

[B1GPonyFan]

^ True, but we're an easy schedule for them, too. They don't want to load up on tough OOC games with their Big 12 schedule and Dallas is an easy road trip for their fan base. I think it's pretty mutually beneficial .

If Patterson wasn't 11-2 lifetime vs SMU or whatever it is and more like 6-5, this series would have been dropped. He needs all the winnable games he can get. And now that TCU is in the Big 12, he'll welcome this game as long as he's winning it. Should the tide ever turn he'll run to Del Conte to kill it.