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Postby huntnfish » Wed Sep 21, 2005 3:23 pm

Its not about who whipped who more its about taking home the national championship! OU has done it 7 times, UT 3, it is no contest- even though it is technically a championship for Texas since all of the players are from Texas (OU- The Real Univ of Texas in Norman)
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Postby Stallion » Wed Sep 21, 2005 3:25 pm

start your own thread-which program is better UT or OU-this thread is about the Top 5 programs of All-Time which UT is by any number of categories
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Postby huntnfish » Wed Sep 21, 2005 3:33 pm

So Stallion,

I thought winning national championships qulaified you as a great football school? 7 for OU, 3 for UT (non since integration)- what other category matters? Once again you make statements you can't back up and then get frustrated when you are obviously wrong. Did you go to UT, this sure is alot of loyalty you are showing towards the burnt orange.
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Postby Nacho » Wed Sep 21, 2005 3:35 pm

Michigan is the top program of all-time. Go back and look at the link. It's under best all-time programs. Somehow SMU got left out.
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Postby smu96 » Wed Sep 21, 2005 3:41 pm

Shouldn't the list be who has the most national championships? Oh wait, D1 football is still the only NCAA sport to not have a proper playoff-nevermind.
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Postby WorldStang » Wed Sep 21, 2005 3:47 pm

I would say..

1. Michigan
2. Notre Dame
3. Texas
4 Ohio State

Tie for 5 - USC, Alabama
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Postby MustangStealth » Wed Sep 21, 2005 4:23 pm

smu96 wrote:http://www.hickoksports.com/history/cfchamps.shtml#1869


Is that "Hick Oklahoma Sports"?

/Didn't look at the site
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Postby EastStang » Wed Sep 21, 2005 4:40 pm

I think you have several criteria. Long term power. Number of National Titles won.

If you combine those two criteria you'll find that
Notre Dame has three and a half over 8 decades
USC has four over six decades
SMU has two over 8 decades
Minnesota has three but over really one decade.
Texas has one over 8 decades.
BYU has two over three decades
Miami has three over two decades
Ohio State has three over 8 decades
Michigan has two over 8 decades
Alabama has two over 8 decades
Minnesota had three but in one decade (including disputed 1936).
Wisconsin had two in one decade
OU has three in 8 decades
LSU has two in 8 decades



So with that criteria
USC
Notre Dame
Michigan
OU
Miami

Next comes
OSU
Alabama (only with BB)
UT
BYU
SMU (albeit two contested national championships)
Minnesota

I'd put Penn State with their one Joe Pa Charity National Championship way down on the list along with Arkansas.
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Postby jtstang » Wed Sep 21, 2005 4:51 pm

EastStang wrote:Next comes
OSU
Alabama (only with BB)
UT
BYU
SMU (albeit two contested national championships)
Minnesota

Pardon my ignorance here, but I am only aware of SMU's national football championship in 1935 awarded prior to the loss in the 1936 Rose Bowl. Can you direct me to the SMU national championship that has escaped me?
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Postby smu96 » Wed Sep 21, 2005 4:54 pm

EastStang wrote:I think you have several criteria. Long term power. Number of National Titles won.


What counts as a national title? For example, Notre Dame generally is considered to have earned 11 consensus national titles: 1924-29-30-
43-46-47-49-66-73-77-88.

I'm not trying to start an arguement. I am saying that there needs to be a playoff system!!!
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Postby Stallion » Wed Sep 21, 2005 4:55 pm

its bogus but one obscure Poll gave SMU a National Championship after undefeated 1982 season. We were the only unbeaten team in the country even after the Bowls. BTW that list above is wrong because UT definitely has 2 consensus NCs after 1963 and 1969 plus the bogus 1970 pre-Bowl game NC.
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Postby jtstang » Wed Sep 21, 2005 4:56 pm

I surprised that was not a top 90 moment.
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Postby EastStang » Wed Sep 21, 2005 4:59 pm

Hey bogus or not, its wasn't a charity NC to a team with one loss (to the team we beat the in the Cotton Bowl) like Penn State.

I was working from memory on ND, and I wasn't around for most of those ND titles. I stand corrected. I remember the 1966 split title with Michigan State when they tied 6-6.
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Postby PlanoStang » Wed Sep 21, 2005 8:43 pm

Stallion wrote:its bogus but one obscure Poll gave SMU a National Championship after undefeated 1982 season. We were the only unbeaten team in the country even after the Bowls. BTW that list above is wrong because UT definitely has 2 consensus NCs after 1963 and 1969 plus the bogus 1970 pre-Bowl game NC.


Do you remember which obscure poll that was? Maybe Sagarin was just getting started on a TRS(trash)-80 computer.
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Postby Stallion » Wed Sep 21, 2005 9:00 pm

See Greatest Moments No. 14 on SMUMUSTANGS.COM something called the National Championship Foundation.
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