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Postby jtstang » Mon Sep 26, 2005 2:13 pm

SoCal_Pony wrote:Dallas and SMU have a lot to offer.

Yeah, but it ain't football on the Hilltop. How can you be surprised at anybody's negativity after 16 freaking years of futility? That's over a decade and a half that we haven't been worth a damn in football. If I'm negative, you'll just have to get over it.
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Postby RGV Pony » Mon Sep 26, 2005 2:37 pm

until some unproven coach can take our unwanted players and make winners of them


Good point. This reminded me: where did Gary Barnett emerge from before taking NW'ern to the Rose Bowl?

fyi this is a sincere question. I'm not being a smarta** here.
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Postby Stallion » Mon Sep 26, 2005 2:42 pm

I think Barnett was an assistant to Bill McCartney at Colorado before moving to Northwestern. I want to say he was an assistant at Notre Dame too not sure.
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Postby EastStang » Mon Sep 26, 2005 3:13 pm

As I said earlier. Since the DP, we have hired four coaches with success before SMU. They failed (yes, even Forrest Gregg). All of them had their hands tied. I do not see anyone taking a vacant SMU job (especially a name coach) unless we change some things. Two names intrigue me. Doug Williams and Howard Schnellenbarger. HS is coaching at Florida Atlantic. He built the Miami model that all of you guys want us to emulate. He would know how to deal with petulant faculty and administrators (UM has a very snobbish group of profs). He might consider SMU an upgrade if we would agree to follow his model. Doug Williams has had some success in the College ranks and is a well known minority coach. Deion has never coached. When he was in Washington, he was not terribly helpful in working with younger players (one reason they let him go). Maybe he's had another epiphany and would be interested in coaching. But as long as you're mentioning former NFL cornerbacks how about Darrell Green. A class act, a nut about fitness and conditioning, and went to college at Prairie View. He did a lot of work to help Fred Smoot and Champ Bailey develop into quality cornerbacks. And he could outrun Tony Dorsett.
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Postby jtstang » Mon Sep 26, 2005 3:15 pm

Schnellenburger is mentally unstable--wasn't he found drunk and sobbing on the steps of a girls' dorm at OU when some co-ed dumped him? That's the kind of leader we need for our boys!!!
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Postby Stallion » Mon Sep 26, 2005 3:17 pm

I believe Schnellenberger is over 68 years old-might even be over 70. No way. Doug Williams-keep him in mind.
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Postby SoCal_Pony » Mon Sep 26, 2005 4:09 pm

jtstang wrote:If I'm negative, you'll just have to get over it.


JT, I view Ponyfans as a big portrait....your negativity / sarcasm / realism…whatever you want to call it…its a part of the picture…..wouldn’t want it any other way.
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Postby jtstang » Mon Sep 26, 2005 4:16 pm

SoCal_Pony wrote:JT, I view Ponyfans as a big portrait....your negativity / sarcasm / realism…whatever you want to call it…its a part of the picture…..wouldn’t want it any other way.

Try to think of it as an intoxicating brew using a patented combination of all three.

However, when something goes right, a la TCU a couple weeks back, I'll be the first to be happy about it. Of course, now that we all realize TCU for the fluke it was, everything is back to normal.
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Postby Dooby » Mon Sep 26, 2005 4:29 pm

From my political days, we used to say that a yard sign represented 7 votes on a precinct basis. For every yard sign, there were seven people in htat precinct that were going to vote for your candidate. Somehow, that applies here, for every person that expresses an opinion on this board, that opinion is representative of some number of people. What is truly sad is that the number of people on this board with a positive outlook has dwindled to such a small number, it is almost statistically insignificant.
At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
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Postby Nacho » Mon Sep 26, 2005 4:36 pm

I am positive about SMU.

I am positive Copeland is going to fire Bennett.

I am positive he going to hire someone worse.
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Postby Stallion » Mon Sep 26, 2005 5:14 pm

Personally I still think this team can make substantial progress (on the Stallion scale) if they get the right personnel on offense. Imagine-as the Beatles used to say if there are other guys like DeMyron Martin sitting on the bench who Bennett just didn't get around to getting in the ballgame. Seriously, we have some talented young athletes like Henderson, Lowery, Turner, Givens, Vincent Chase and even Massey (not to mention Phillips) who could have some substantial upside. After seeing Martin against TCU and even in his limited carries against Tulane can YOU believe this guy could possiby riding the bench on a team with a running attack like SMU.Let's find out. Seriously, the most concern I have for Bennett's coaching is his inability or stubborness not to develop young players in a REBUILDING program. Eric Dickerson was a 3rd string TB as a freshman getting beat out by two freshman-that never stopped Ron Meyer from using him early in his career. What REALLY pisses me off is when Bennett lauds a young player like Givens or Lowery, burns a redshirt and then plays them 3-4 plays a game after they make the mistake everybody KNOWS they will make as freshman. We ain't going anywhere this year and we must get these kids on the field.
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Postby Nacho » Mon Sep 26, 2005 5:34 pm

Amen to that Stallion.

Rember when, now this was Cavan not Bennett, that Shanderrick Charles was riding the pine until KK got a concussion. Does seem that talent evaluation or lack thereof plays a significant role in being a head coach.

I don't know how you evaluate that in an assistant coach. Cavan had been a d-1aa head coach so he should have had some ability in that area but didn't.

Anyway I agree that we should open the door to those guys and let 'er rip. What do we have to lose? At this point we could salvage some wins and build for the future at the same time. It makes too much sense. They won't do it. I am serious. You know they won't.
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Postby SMU Football Blog » Mon Sep 26, 2005 6:07 pm

Nacho wrote:Amen to that Stallion.

Rember when, now this was Cavan not Bennett, that Shanderrick Charles was riding the pine until KK got a concussion. Does seem that talent evaluation or lack thereof plays a significant role in being a head coach.

I don't know how you evaluate that in an assistant coach. Cavan had been a d-1aa head coach so he should have had some ability in that area but didn't.

Anyway I agree that we should open the door to those guys and let 'er rip. What do we have to lose? At this point we could salvage some wins and build for the future at the same time. It makes too much sense. They won't do it. I am serious. You know they won't.


According to Rich Phillips, Cavan couldn't even remember Charles' name the day before the game.
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Postby ALEX LIFESON » Mon Sep 26, 2005 9:54 pm

While we are throwing around names, how about Dan Hawkins at Boise St.? Runs a great program without blue chippers, with an exciting offense.
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Postby Dark Horse » Mon Sep 26, 2005 10:25 pm

Dan Hawkins? Sure, and how about Bill Parcells and Joe Gibbs and Bill Cowher and Larry Coker and Bobby Bowden?

And PLEASE tell me you're kidding about that Deion nonesense. Never mind the fact that he has a job (although he shouldn't -- dude couldn't cover Drew Pearson now, and he's what .... 50?) He is not the kind of guy I'd want leading my team. He's the living personification of the selfish me-first athlete.
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