Saw LB and Recruits out tonight

[EastStang]

Football success has nothing to do with basketball recruiting success. How many bowl games have Duke, Kentucky, Syracuse, Indiana, Kansas, Memphis and UConn played in in the last 20 years? Combined they are nip and tuck with Alabama. Yet, those are all very successful hoops programs. Then you have Georgetown which isn't even a good FCS program in football. Or Villanova which is a good FCS program, but not going to beat an Alabama or a Texas A&M. St. Johns, Seton Hall, and Providence don't even have FCS football. So football is not going to win over hoops recruits. Do you think Chris Bosch went to Ga. Tech because of their football prowess?

[hoopmanx]

So you are saying we were not in the lead for mcquaid while he was committed to us. Makes sense.

I'm saying its irrelevant cause we recruited over the kid before he even signed his LOI. I'm also saying you guys are naive as to how mid-sized private programs are built. Take a look around in places not called Texas. Look at rosters, how many in state kids do you see? How many are located in the same city/town as the school etc? You have to take a different approach. We're doing just fine.

Its freaking amazing anyone would see McQuaid as a loss/negative when we literally grabbed a 3 year starter at his same position in the same cycle.

See if you can find where I said I was not happy with the trade of mcquaid for Emelogu. You won't find it.

My point is you keep saying we have not missed on anyone we were in the lead for, which is silly on two fronts.

One, we had a commit who decommitted. We were obviously in the lead and then obviously he left. Maybe/probably we wanted that to happen, but it still happened. I will concede that perhaps we never missed if we asked him to leave so I should not have used this as an example.

Second, and more relevant, measuring success as not missing anyone you were ever in the lead for is ridiculous. As long as you never get in the lead for someone you will never fail by that measure.

No, just saying every kid we've truly had a shot with, at least locally, is still on the board. Our services right now, both rivals and scout are proactive, so we get many articles touting our chances, mostly in recruit speak. Some around here believe what they read from the mouths of babes, who half the time, don't even have a say where they go. Why would any of you even read Davis, Hogg, McClure articles, much less think they gave a crap about SMU? Again, who have we missed that we truly targeted and had a chance for? This isn't June Jones level inactivity. We're just on different kids. Hell, I think we just offered a canadian combo forward who may reclassify.

[PonyKris89]

...We haven't missed on anyone we led for.

Looking at it from that angle is very June Jonesian if you ask me...

We do need to start building some momentum again, and commits from the DFW hotbed is what we really need longterm, lock up DFW and you will always be relevant. No time like the present, but to this point, no commits from here other than McQuaid who then opened his recruitment back up.

No, you need perspective on how mid sized, semi-elite, private programs, build. Very few, if any, rely on their backyard. That's a football concept that means nothing w
/a staff like we have.

Also, we never led for mcquaid. We came out of nowhere and got a verbal. Creighton was always considered the clubhouse leader there

I understand there is a huge difference between fball and Bball.

Your comment questioning fans' concern over a perceived lack of momentum on the recruiting trail is puzzling. We clearly have lost momentum, losing 2 commits(Mudiay and McQ) and nothing to show since Barefield. I am not
saying the sky is falling, but there was a lot of hope to capitalize on DFW talent that had made the trek to Moody on multiple occasions. and yes I know fully the transfers we have received have been great. But recruiting buzz and momentum is made by signing the
high school kids peers. That's what they talk/tweet about.

Oh, and how about losing out on Bryant Crawford? I saw some had SMU as a clear lean. Does that count as one we lead on, but lost? Are we leaders for any 4 or 5 star recruits? I have no doubt that we can pile up 3 stars, and if that is all we get
then I am still confident we can do fine with them. Just look at last year's 3 stars.

Not saying we cannot regain momentum, but I am standing by my thought that we need to regain momentum that appears to be sagging.

..again, I am fully confident that LB and staff will pull together a great class this year, but a little momentum with the high schoolers would be nice.

[SMU 86]

No, just saying every kid we've truly had a shot with, at least locally, is still on the board. Our services right now, both rivals and scout are proactive, so we get many articles touting our chances, mostly in recruit speak. Some around here believe what they read from the mouths of babes, who half the time, don't even have a say where they go. Why would any of you even read Davis, Hogg, McClure articles, much less think they gave a crap about SMU? Again, who have we missed that we truly targeted and had a chance for? This isn't June Jones level inactivity. We're just on different kids. Hell, I think we just offered a canadian combo forward who may reclassify.

Okay, so who do we have the lead on? You said you liked Blackshear, do we have the lead on him? What about Gilder, do we have the lead on him? Give us some of your picks before they commit that you think we have the lead on. Because it is easy to say after a kid commits somewhere else that we never had the lead on him if you are vague and never give a prediction one way or another. So let's here a few you think we have the lead on.

[hoopmanx]

No, just saying every kid we've truly had a shot with, at least locally, is still on the board. Our services right now, both rivals and scout are proactive, so we get many articles touting our chances, mostly in recruit speak. Some around here believe what they read from the mouths of babes, who half the time, don't even have a say where they go. Why would any of you even read Davis, Hogg, McClure articles, much less think they gave a crap about SMU? Again, who have we missed that we truly targeted and had a chance for? This isn't June Jones level inactivity. We're just on different kids. Hell, I think we just offered a canadian combo forward who may reclassify.

Okay, so who do we have the lead on? You said you liked Blackshear, do we have the lead on him? What about Gilder, do we have the lead on him? Give us some of your picks before they commit that you think we have the lead on. Because it is easy to say after a kid commits somewhere else that we never had the lead on him if you are vague and never give a prediction one way or another. So let's here a few you think we have the lead on.

I think you begin to second guess the class IF they miss on Gilder specifically. He's a Dallas Mustang and that's Ulric's squad. Elijah I hate, but he'd be another you could point to. Those were the only 'favorites' going back to last season and all the unofficial visits. Chad Lott as well, who they've always had an inside track on, just not sure he's good enough. Was non-descript in AAU

[RGV Pony]

What's the timeline on these guys?

[hoopmanx]

I understand there is a huge difference between fball and Bball.

Your comment questioning fans' concern over a perceived lack of momentum on the recruiting trail is puzzling. We clearly have lost momentum, losing 2 commits(Mudiay and McQ) and nothing to show since Barefield. I am not
saying the sky is falling, but there was a lot of hope to capitalize on DFW talent that had made the trek to Moody on multiple occasions. and yes I know fully the transfers we have received have been great. But recruiting buzz and momentum is made by signing the
high school kids peers. That's what they talk/tweet about.

Oh, and how about losing out on Bryant Crawford? I saw some had SMU as a clear lean. Does that count as one we lead on, but lost? Are we leaders for any 4 or 5 star recruits? I have no doubt that we can pile up 3 stars, and if that is all we get
then I am still confident we can do fine with them. Just look at last year's 3 stars.

Not saying we cannot regain momentum, but I am standing by my thought that we need to regain momentum that appears to be sagging.

..again, I am fully confident that LB and staff will pull together a great class this year, but a little momentum with the high schoolers would be nice.

How have we lost momentum? The Mudiay thing had nothing to do w/momentum. He was no bigger deal to SMU than Josiah Turner. Did it destroy SMU when he went pro, and we had to 'settle' for lil ol'Nic Moore?

We didn't lose out on Crawford. We did incredibly well to get the best player in the best high school league in America, to visit. Before injury, he was a top 30 kid who couldn't point to SMU on map, much less visit. That's a tough pull and we were second. A miss in that case is Georgetown, not SMU. They thought he was locked from soph year.

You say we have nothing to show since Barefield, but I give you Emegolu, who is a 3 year starter and tough as nails. He's essentially a high school kid.

I'm just going to say this, even though its not popular. IF the types of kids we're going to pull from Dallas are Keith & Elijah, maybe we need to prospect better locally, and go after kids w/substantially less attitude, baggage, and hangers-on, or just recruit elsewhere.

[JoeKidd]

At Al Biernats Tonight. Table of about 20. Few players, few coaches, and their parents. Tony Romo was at another table and came over to say Hi. Posed for a few pictures with the recruits. After dinner the recruits and players left (Shawn too). LB stayed behind with the coaches and recruits parents and talked. LB was holding court talking to the parents. Really couldn't have been more excited. While I wanted to go thank them, I thought maybe I should hold back after the amount of Old Fashions I had had…..I wasn't closing any deals tonight. Anyway, loved seeing the staff in action. Can't wait!

Mmm the Old-Fashioned, just like dear old dad used to make. Great post as well.

[PonyKris89]

Hoopmanx, I appreciate your assessment in previous post. But I meant nothing to show since Barefield as it pertains to High school recruits. I love our transfers,as I already said. And I love Gilders game, and Elijah's not so much. He even said he is lazy in an interview last year, so that might be a challenge, but I know we have the coaches to help him.

[1983 Cotton Bowl]

[quote="JoeKidd"] Mmm the Old-Fashioned, just like dear old dad used to make. Great post as well.[/quote]

Thank you JoeKidd. I was going to say that my biggest takeaway from PonyDawg's outstanding post was the part about the Old Fashioned. I love that cocktail!

[mrydel]

When I was younger it was just called a Fashioned.

[Pony ^]

Class, class, class

[Treadway21]

When I was younger it was just called a Fashioned.

+1

[ponyboy]

Random, but the very tall bartender at Zizikis at Travis Walk makes an amazing Old Fashioned per my father in law.

[GiddyUp]

I understand there is a huge difference between fball and Bball.

Your comment questioning fans' concern over a perceived lack of momentum on the recruiting trail is puzzling. We clearly have lost momentum, losing 2 commits(Mudiay and McQ) and nothing to show since Barefield. I am not
saying the sky is falling, but there was a lot of hope to capitalize on DFW talent that had made the trek to Moody on multiple occasions. and yes I know fully the transfers we have received have been great. But recruiting buzz and momentum is made by signing the
high school kids peers. That's what they talk/tweet about.

Oh, and how about losing out on Bryant Crawford? I saw some had SMU as a clear lean. Does that count as one we lead on, but lost? Are we leaders for any 4 or 5 star recruits? I have no doubt that we can pile up 3 stars, and if that is all we get
then I am still confident we can do fine with them. Just look at last year's 3 stars.

Not saying we cannot regain momentum, but I am standing by my thought that we need to regain momentum that appears to be sagging.

..again, I am fully confident that LB and staff will pull together a great class this year, but a little momentum with the high schoolers would be nice.

How have we lost momentum? The Mudiay thing had nothing to do w/momentum. He was no bigger deal to SMU than Josiah Turner. Did it destroy SMU when he went pro, and we had to 'settle' for lil ol'Nic Moore?

We didn't lose out on Crawford. We did incredibly well to get the best player in the best high school league in America, to visit. Before injury, he was a top 30 kid who couldn't point to SMU on map, much less visit. That's a tough pull and we were second. A miss in that case is Georgetown, not SMU. They thought he was locked from soph year.

You say we have nothing to show since Barefield, but I give you Emegolu, who is a 3 year starter and tough as nails. He's essentially a high school kid.

I'm just going to say this, even though its not popular. IF the types of kids we're going to pull from Dallas are Keith & Elijah, maybe we need to prospect better locally, and go after kids w/substantially less attitude, baggage, and hangers-on, or just recruit elsewhere.

I guess most are wondering the drop off with Kennedy, Yanick, Cannen backfills. Btw, I am not a Thomas fan from what I saw in person. Agree that local is nice but not as necessary. You go where the talent is as proven by Larry jetting around all over.