Tank Reed + Cole Beasley tweets

[HarvCrimYaleBlue]

This doesn't surprise me a ton. The student body (meaning greek life i.e. the social scene) has never embraced the football players since I've been here. I mean in terms of support, night time activities, on campus during the day, etc. I can see why they had a mentality of them against the school, because they honestly were/are not very welcome by their peers.

In distinct contrast to that the basketball team is currently being treated like gods by the student body, and I would bet that as a consequence they have a very different opinion of SMU as a whole, and their experience here.

2001 grad here...athletes never had a problem 'being embraced' during my tenure. Half the football team was Pike. Tons of football players in my classes and all were chummy with just about everyone. I specifically remember seeing basketball players at any/all greek parties I attended. Sasser was one such bball guy who always had multiple players with him at parties.

What kind of nonsense is this that the poor jocks are ostracized. It is nonsensical ridiculousness.

And I am sorry, but if you are truly a dumb athlete there should be no place for you on any college/university campus. Just because you have athletic ability, it doesn't mean any school should bend over backwards to dumb down an education just so you can 'graduate'. If all you can do is play a sport then go to camp and try to make a nfl team.

I personally had to work my butt off to get an education from a very respectable academic institution. If I just wanted a price of paper I would have went to Amberton.

[footballdad]

Aren't we just seeing a different forum where a different generation expresses their frustration over the Football program. Most every SMU fans has expressed similar frustration somewhere including questioning the commitment of various SMU employees. Let's not get too excited about people venting after 56-0

True colors shining thru brightly no matter old school communication or new school communication. Just get to show their idiocy to a much bigger audience much more quickly.

[Puckhead48E]

I love the denial. If you were in an environment where no one cared about you or what you did (we all know that being in the sport, or band, or any activity can define who you are...a pretty big thing to a 18-25 year old), then you would rally around anyone who did support you. Doesn't matter whether that support was actually positive, it was impressionable. Once again, how about we stop lashing out at these players and start calling the entire system out. You want to punish someone to make yourself feel better, call out that private and then feel good about how you have made an impact. You want to challenge the system that created the calamity and fostered this mentality, call out and challenge the generals. June is gone, but he was one leg of a tripod. Hart is new, but he was here for 2 seasons and allowed this monstrosity to get worse. Where was he and what did he do last season as the wheels began to fall off? What did he do when he looked at the list of football commits last year and this year and noticed, well, a complete lack of quality? And Turner, well, he has been here since '95. He has made amazing changes in the academics and in the footprint of the school. That is great. We are talking about football here, so what is his role and where was he as the program floundered? Where was he when the ASU crap hit the fan, and why did he not bring JJ and his handler into his office and set things straight?
Let's look at the big picture here and demand the level of commitment from the school and athletics department that we are demanding from our current and former players. How about we expect the 40+ year old leaders act like leaders and adults before we call out the 20 year olds for acting like, well, 20 year olds.

[SMUstangs22]

Aren't we just seeing a different forum where a different generation expresses their frustration over the Football program. Most every SMU fans has expressed similar frustration somewhere including questioning the commitment of various SMU employees. Let's not get too excited about people venting after 56-0

True colors shining thru brightly no matter old school communication or new school communication. Just get to show their idiocy to a much bigger audience much more quickly.

I second this.

[SMUstangs22]

I love the denial. If you were in an environment where no one cared about you or what you did (we all know that being in the sport, or band, or any activity can define who you are...a pretty big thing to a 18-25 year old), then you would rally around anyone who did support you. Doesn't matter whether that support was actually positive, it was impressionable. Once again, how about we stop lashing out at these players and start calling the entire system out. You want to punish someone to make yourself feel better, call out that private and then feel good about how you have made an impact. You want to challenge the system that created the calamity and fostered this mentality, call out and challenge the generals. June is gone, but he was one leg of a tripod. Hart is new, but he was here for 2 seasons and allowed this monstrosity to get worse. Where was he and what did he do last season as the wheels began to fall off? What did he do when he looked at the list of football commits last year and this year and noticed, well, a complete lack of quality? And Turner, well, he has been here since '95. He has made amazing changes in the academics and in the footprint of the school. That is great. We are talking about football here, so what is his role and where was he as the program floundered? Where was he when the ASU crap hit the fan, and why did he not bring JJ and his handler into his office and set things straight?
Let's look at the big picture here and demand the level of commitment from the school and athletics department that we are demanding from our current and former players. How about we expect the 40+ year old leaders act like leaders and adults before we call out the 20 year olds for acting like, well, 20 year olds.

You really wanted Hart to fire the only winning coach (at the time) of this program since the DP as his first move? Seriously? He would have been hung out to dry.

[footballdad]

This doesn't surprise me a ton. The student body (meaning greek life i.e. the social scene) has never embraced the football players since I've been here. I mean in terms of support, night time activities, on campus during the day, etc. I can see why they had a mentality of them against the school, because they honestly were/are not very welcome by their peers.

In distinct contrast to that the basketball team is currently being treated like gods by the student body, and I would bet that as a consequence they have a very different opinion of SMU as a whole, and their experience here.

2001 grad here...athletes never had a problem 'being embraced' during my tenure. Half the football team was Pike. Tons of football players in my classes and all were chummy with just about everyone. I specifically remember seeing basketball players at any/all greek parties I attended. Sasser was one such bball guy who always had multiple players with him at parties.

What kind of nonsense is this that the poor jocks are ostracized. It is nonsensical ridiculousness.

And I am sorry, but if you are truly a dumb athlete there should be no place for you on any college/university campus. Just because you have athletic ability, it doesn't mean any school should bend over backwards to dumb down an education just so you can 'graduate'. If all you can do is play a sport then go to camp and try to make a nfl team.

I personally had to work my butt off to get an education from a very respectable academic institution. If I just wanted a price of paper I would have went to Amberton.

So true, and one common trait that the cult of June instilled in all of it's followers:

excuses for everything!

[SMUstangs22]

Anyone blaming Hart to this point is a dumbash. If he messes up the next hire then it is what it is. However, to criticize an AD for not firing JJ after his 4th bowl game is stupid. His hands were tied because of JJs recent history. This board would still be talking about that firing as the mistake of the century had it happened then.

[Puckhead48E]

Aren't we just seeing a different forum where a different generation expresses their frustration over the Football program. Most every SMU fans has expressed similar frustration somewhere including questioning the commitment of various SMU employees. Let's not get too excited about people venting after 56-0

True colors shining thru brightly no matter old school communication or new school communication. Just get to show their idiocy to a much bigger audience much more quickly.

I see you don't get that June floated a sunk ship with rescue patches on the holes in the swiss-cheese hull, right? June sucks, but so did the program. Thankfully, we are rid of June the person. However, we are stuck with June the coach and the mediocrity he personified and lackadaisical attitude he imbued on the program and players. Heck, you think Reed and Beasley and ED are pissed, imagine the current group. They were actually told by Jones that they were good. Now that a few games and the cleansing light of day has destroyed that lie, they are forced to deal with an imploding program where the only guy who had anything positive to say about them is now gone. Luckily, whether you agree with Mason and his coaching, he seems to get the leadership and mentoring part from what I have seen in limited spots more than June did.

Because we all know, in the long run, it is Beasley and Reed and ED's fault that we are where we are now... not June and Turner and Orsani and Hart.

[Smu97186]

@Bease11: @agrivera74 @jhofeditz @Tank_Reed1911 June was coachin when we went to the first bowl game in 25 years so I don't understand (In response to a tweet explaining how june has put us in this position)

[Stallion]

And Hart did put a huge spotlight on recruiting this year and set standards of recruiting for by coaches. I'm assuming you are not aware but most of us were very appreciative of Hart's supervision of recruiting issues. I think he gets an A for that in fact

[SMUstangs22]

@Bease11: @agrivera74 @jhofeditz @Tank_Reed1911 June was coachin when we went to the first bowl game in 25 years so I don't understand (In response to a tweet explaining how june has put us in this position)

The intellect starts to show. Or lack there of... What morons, lack of recruiting or interest came after your time you idiots. Try researching something before opening your mouth now that you have to be the ones to instigate your own loser press coverage.

[SMUstangs22]

And Hart did put a huge spotlight on recruiting this year and set standards of recruiting for by coaches. I'm assuming you are not aware but most of us were very appreciative of Hart's supervision of recruiting issues. I think he gets an A for that in fact

There is no reason not to be happy with what he has done. That being said there is a lot left to prove. However those who think it is Hart's fault are looking for JJ escapism.

[Puckhead48E]

I love the denial. If you were in an environment where no one cared about you or what you did (we all know that being in the sport, or band, or any activity can define who you are...a pretty big thing to a 18-25 year old), then you would rally around anyone who did support you. Doesn't matter whether that support was actually positive, it was impressionable. Once again, how about we stop lashing out at these players and start calling the entire system out. You want to punish someone to make yourself feel better, call out that private and then feel good about how you have made an impact. You want to challenge the system that created the calamity and fostered this mentality, call out and challenge the generals. June is gone, but he was one leg of a tripod. Hart is new, but he was here for 2 seasons and allowed this monstrosity to get worse. Where was he and what did he do last season as the wheels began to fall off? What did he do when he looked at the list of football commits last year and this year and noticed, well, a complete lack of quality? And Turner, well, he has been here since '95. He has made amazing changes in the academics and in the footprint of the school. That is great. We are talking about football here, so what is his role and where was he as the program floundered? Where was he when the ASU crap hit the fan, and why did he not bring JJ and his handler into his office and set things straight?
Let's look at the big picture here and demand the level of commitment from the school and athletics department that we are demanding from our current and former players. How about we expect the 40+ year old leaders act like leaders and adults before we call out the 20 year olds for acting like, well, 20 year olds.

You really wanted Hart to fire the only winning coach (at the time) of this program since the DP as his first move? Seriously? He would have been hung out to dry.

Really? That is what you got from this?
I would love to know what Hart did, from his hiring to September '14, regarding the football program. I really like what I have seen from him recently, but I want to see more. I think he understands this game much better than his predecessors who have just cashed a check based on their knowledge (and don't lie to yourself here) that the greater SMU community could have cared less about football from the death penalty on. But don't forget, he was hired to improve the program (as are all new hires...sort of why you replace someone and make a hire in the first place). I would be willing to bet he did make inquiries and raised protestations to issues, and was ignored by Turner. Wouldn't shock me. Does that make it better for you?

[Smu97186]

I don't know if Mason was correct when he said unt was the lowest moment

[lwjr]

I thought I had seen in another thread, someone claimed Hart wanted to fire JJ after last year but he was overruled.