SMU "Intrigued" by Mack Brown

[Rebel10]

Consistently underachieved at Texas despite amazing facilities and the best recruiting hotbed in America. Thanks but no thanks

That "story" is a complete fabrication of what happened in Austin.

From DKR until Mack arrived, Texas was mediocre under Akers, McWilliams, and Mackovic. Before Mack Brown, Texas had gone 35 years without a National Championship. From 1998-2009, his teams won at least 9 games and went to decent bowl games. In BCS games, Mack went 3-1 and probably would have been 4-1 but for McCoy's injury against Alabama.

Even with a depleted team, he managed to get 9 wins out of Texas last year - will Strong??

Overall record under Brown: 158–48
Bowl Record: 9-5

Strong has to straighten out that undisciplined mess of gangsters that Mack recruited first. Different situation.

[Digetydog]

His 101-16 record from 2001-2009 is one of the greatest sustained periods of success in College Football History. That said-something changed in his ability to analyze and develop recruits. Was it recruiting TOO early. I think it might have been Coaching Staff turnover as Coaches left that eventually took the Coaches who were making those recruiting decisions

The issue, at least for me, isn't the record from 2001 to 2009... it's what has happened since then. The only conclusion I can come to is that he got complacent and wasn't working as hard in recruiting or in player development.

When you've had a decade of top 10 recruiting classes and you have even 1 year where not one player gets drafted, there is something seriously wrong with the way you're running your program.

We're in the mess we're in now because June Jones got complacent... no way do I want a replacement coach that is only available because he, too, got complacent.

In late 2008, the Big Money Alums at UT forced Will Muchamp as HCIW against Mack's will. After that, there was a perception that Mack was on his way out and/or wasn't really "in charge." Essentially, the UT Big Money Alums did to Mack what Jerry Jones' does to his head coach.

On offense, they made some bad choices at QB (David Ash v. Johnny Football). On defense, he was forced to hire people he didn't want. The biggest problem was the defense.

[Digetydog]

Consistently underachieved at Texas despite amazing facilities and the best recruiting hotbed in America. Thanks but no thanks

That "story" is a complete fabrication of what happened in Austin.

From DKR until Mack arrived, Texas was mediocre under Akers, McWilliams, and Mackovic. Before Mack Brown, Texas had gone 35 years without a National Championship. From 1998-2009, his teams won at least 9 games and went to decent bowl games. In BCS games, Mack went 3-1 and probably would have been 4-1 but for McCoy's injury against Alabama.

Even with a depleted team, he managed to get 9 wins out of Texas last year - will Strong??

Overall record under Brown: 158–48
Bowl Record: 9-5

Strong has to straighten out that undisciplined mess of gangsters that Mack recruited first. Different situation.

Strong is on a power trip. Although they played poorly, UT didn't have a behavior issued significantly different from Bama, Aggie, LSU, etc. They replaced Mack because the Big Money guys wanted him gone.

[LA_Mustang]

I think it was said about Mack Brown that never has somebody done so little with so much.

How is winning a national championship "doing so little?" And who got that "so much" on his team? As Stallion mention, something went wrong at the end of his UT tenure. Not sure if he lost a key piece of his staff who evaluated talent or what, but he is smart enough to know how important a great staff is to success. He can recruit with the best. He would get a serious upgrade in talent on the Hilltop quickly, similar to what LB did. Also, if you've watched him in the studio these last few weeks it very obvious he still has more charisma in his pinky than our last coach had period.

[Rebel10]

Strong is doing the right thing. Get rid of the non law abiding street gangsters that Mack was well know for recruiting and start over. Every year you heard about UT kids getting in trouble with the law. I know you went to UT and are a Mack lover but the truth is the truth. Players could do what they wanted to when Mack was there spin it how you like.

[Stallion]

The best argument for Mack is that for the first time in 25 years SMU would have a Coach that understands Texas recruiting. We have gone a Quarter of a Century with the most bizarre choices to Coach a team in Dallas Texas. Not one good hire. And I'm including everyone from Gregg to Jones. Whoever is making these choices doesn't understand much about winning in Texas. Again, he's my 4th choice but if the young gun Offensive masterminds don't want it-go with Mack

[Rebel10]

I think it was said about Mack Brown that never has somebody done so little with so much.

How is winning a national championship "doing so little?" And who got that "so much" on his team? As Stallion mention, something went wrong at the end of his UT tenure. Not sure if he lost a key piece of his staff who evaluated talent or what, but he is smart enough to know how important a great staff is to success. He can recruit with the best. He would get a serious upgrade in talent on the Hilltop quickly, similar to what LB did. Also, if you've watched him in the studio these last few weeks it very obvious he still has more charisma in his pinky than our last coach had period.

If you get the number 1 recruiting class in the country year after year don't you think you should win more than 1 national championship. See Nick Saban. As much talent as he has a junior high coach could have won as many games as he did.

[gostangs]

I think other schools would look at these comments and think we have truly lost our minds over here - to have lost to 4 opponents by an aggregate couple of HUNDRED points - and not be sure if one of the winingest coaches in history would be good enough?

That said - I get the feeling that Rick REALLY doesn't want to repeat a mistake - an elder statesmen without enough fire. I think the main difference here is June never put a big emphasis on recruiting - and Mack always did. Everything else is downhill from that decision in my view.

Intrigued is the exact correct word. Worth some more thought and discussion, but young and insanely aggressive is still the leader in the clubhouse.

[LA_Mustang]

If you get the number 1 recruiting class in the country year after year don't you think you should win more than 1 national championship. See Nick Saban. As much talent as he has a junior high coach could have won as many games as he did.

Come on, Rebel. Haven't we learned the hard way that success in college football is ALL about recruiting? Would you rather have high end talent and your coach make a few in game mistakes, or a roster full of DIR being coached by a guru? Granted I know it was Texas, but who got those #1 classes to the school?

[Rebel10]

If you get the number 1 recruiting class in the country year after year don't you think you should win more than 1 national championship. See Nick Saban. As much talent as he has a junior high coach could have won as many games as he did.

Come on, Rebel. Haven't we learned the hard way that success in college football is ALL about recruiting? Would you rather have high end talent and your coach make a few in game mistakes, or a roster full of DIR being coached by a guru? Granted I know it was Texas, but who got those #1 classes to the school?

Okay, I will give you that.

[Harry0569]

plz no

[skyscraper]

I'm w/Stallion on this one, if the two or three hot shot coordinators say no or aren't interested, Mack would be a good choice.
FWIW - this entire conversation is giving me flashbacks to when Larry Brown's name was being thrown around two years ago.

[StallionsModelT]

LOL.....Consistently underachieved?! A decade worth of 10 win seasons and four BCS bowl appearances is "consistently underachieving" ?

Some of you have the memory of a fly.

[RebStang]

If you get the number 1 recruiting class in the country year after year don't you think you should win more than 1 national championship. See Nick Saban. As much talent as he has a junior high coach could have won as many games as he did.

Come on, Rebel. Haven't we learned the hard way that success in college football is ALL about recruiting? Would you rather have high end talent and your coach make a few in game mistakes, or a roster full of DIR being coached by a guru? Granted I know it was Texas, but who got those #1 classes to the school?

I don't keep up with Texas recruiting that much so this isn't a loaded question:

How many actual real recruiting battles has Mack Brown won over the last 5 years? I mean, how many down to the wire, slug it out until January against an Alabama, LSU, Oklahoma, etc for a top recruit battles has he won?

The reason I ask is that the real measure of a recruiter isn't just how many 4 and 5 stars he signs... it's how many recruiting battles he wins.

[LA_Mustang]

FWIW, I'm not suggesting Mack is the long term answer but for the next 3 or 4 years he could come in here with a solid staff and completely change the reputation of SMU in the high school/recruiting scene in Texas. I still don't think some understand how damaged the relationship is between SMU and the Texas HS community. Mack could fix that quickly. He's a helluva salesman.