Questions from a Hawaii fan

[PK]

Warbow, if I remember correctly you basically predicted this would be a disaster back in 2007/08 and we all laughed you off.

I'll be the first to say....we should have paid a little more attention to the issues at that time. You called it.

Not that any of us here on PF.com could have changed anything. Or maybe we could have...the alums at ASU were able to save their school from JJ.

[Warbow]

Warbow, if I remember correctly you basically predicted this would be a disaster back in 2007/08 and we all laughed you off.

I'll be the first to say....we should have paid a little more attention to the issues at that time. You called it.

My logic at the time was why would a coach leave a non AQ school that just played a BCS game for another non AQ school that was in the dumps at the time. As I recall, Hawaii just about matched SMU's money offer at the last minute but JJ still decided to leave. So it couldn't have been for the money.

The only conclusion I could come up with at the time was that JJ saving face was more important to him then the place he said he loved. JJ knew very well that when he loss Colt Brennan and all his receivers the next year he was in danger of setting another record for the biggest turnaround in history but on the losing end this time. He failed to recruit during the Colt Brennan days and he knew it was going to cost him after Colt and his receivers left.

JJ got lucky twice, at least the coaches before left him with decent players to work with. It's ashame he couldn't do that for both his replacements.

My thinking was, he ruined Hawaii's future and he was going to do the same to SMU. As long as he was praised during the process, he was okay with it.

[Warbow]

Oh by the way... I forgot to mention that JJ cost Colt Brennan millions of dollars by talking him to stay for another year instead of coming out his Jr year. A sure 1st round pick turned into a 6th round pick after it was all said and done. All for his own personal glory. He basically told Colt he would come back and coach another year or 2 if Colt came back for his senior season.

[sbsmith]

Oh by the way... I forgot to mention that JJ cost Colt Brennan millions of dollars by talking him to stay for another year instead of coming out his Jr year. A sure 1st round pick turned into a 6th round pick after it was all said and done. All for his own personal glory. He basically told Colt he would come back and coach another year or 2 if Colt came back for his senior season.

I don't who's worse, June for selling Brennan a bill of goods or Brennan for buying that crap.

[ideal]

I don't who's worse, June for selling Brennan a bill of goods or Brennan for buying that crap.

this is textbook psychopath behavior, he sold ED a bill, also.
they are very convincing, and no one can believe they are that bad.

[2left]

If you asked me, June Jones is more of a program wrecker that fixer upper, like he claims to be. He left both Hawaii and SMU much worst then what he started with. Hawaii is still trying to recover from his departure.

I don't see how anyone can say that Jones left Hawaii much worse than when he started. Hawaii was 0-12 and probably the worst D-I team in the nation. Two years after Jones left, UH was WAC champion. UH didn't go into the toilet until Mack got fired and Chow got hired.

[Warbow]

If you asked me, June Jones is more of a program wrecker that fixer upper, like he claims to be. He left both Hawaii and SMU much worst then what he started with. Hawaii is still trying to recover from his departure.

I don't see how anyone can say that Jones left Hawaii much worse than when he started. Hawaii was 0-12 and probably the worst D-I team in the nation. Two years after Jones left, UH was WAC champion. UH didn't go into the toilet until Mack got fired and Chow got hired.

I'm talking about player talent, not wins and losses. Although a lousy coach, Von Applen left JJ with tons of NFL talent. On the other hand, JJ left Mack with crap. If it wasn't for Brian Moniz (who Mack found), Mack wouldn't have survived his first season. Mack's entire time he coached for Hawaii he recruited to fill holes or shortages left by JJ. In other words, he was playing catch up by going the JC route just to stay competitive. In the long run, it caught up to Mack and eventually cost him his job. Chow suffered by Mack's catch up style of recruiting because all of the JC guys Mack recruited were graduated or gone. Basically Chow had to start from scratch and is now paying the price of JJ's lazy recruiting.

[2left]

If you asked me, June Jones is more of a program wrecker that fixer upper, like he claims to be. He left both Hawaii and SMU much worst then what he started with. Hawaii is still trying to recover from his departure.

I don't see how anyone can say that Jones left Hawaii much worse than when he started. Hawaii was 0-12 and probably the worst D-I team in the nation. Two years after Jones left, UH was WAC champion. UH didn't go into the toilet until Mack got fired and Chow got hired.

I'm talking about player talent, not wins and losses. Although a lousy coach, Von Applen left JJ with tons of NFL talent. On the other hand, JJ left Mack with crap. If it wasn't for Brian Moniz (who Mack found), Mack wouldn't have survived his first season. Mack's entire time he coached for Hawaii he recruited to fill holes or shortages left by JJ. In other words, he was playing catch up by going the JC route just to stay competitive. In the long run, it caught up to Mack and eventually cost him his job. Chow suffered by Mack's catch up style of recruiting because all of the JC guys Mack recruited were graduated or gone. Basically Chow had to start from scratch and is now paying the price of JJ's lazy recruiting.

I can't argue with JJ's recruiting efforts. At Hawaii, he could point to the $60K recruiting budget, but it seems he did even less at SMU.

[PonySnob]

Oh by the way... I forgot to mention that JJ cost Colt Brennan millions of dollars by talking him to stay for another year instead of coming out his Jr year. A sure 1st round pick turned into a 6th round pick after it was all said and done. All for his own personal glory. He basically told Colt he would come back and coach another year or 2 if Colt came back for his senior season.

I don't who's worse, June for selling Brennan a bill of goods or Brennan for buying that crap.

Saw Colt on a TV show trying to make the roster of the LA KISS in the arena league.

[PonySnob]

Oh by the way... I forgot to mention that JJ cost Colt Brennan millions of dollars by talking him to stay for another year instead of coming out his Jr year. A sure 1st round pick turned into a 6th round pick after it was all said and done. All for his own personal glory. He basically told Colt he would come back and coach another year or 2 if Colt came back for his senior season.

Colt still couldn't make an NFL roster.......JJ has never had a QB play in a regular season NFL game, or make a regular season roster.

[Alaric]

No. The good times aren't going to make up for the 3-4 years of misery we're going to have to endure due to JJ's absolute lack of recruiting the last 3 years.

[Treadway21]

Warbow, if I remember correctly you basically predicted this would be a disaster back in 2007/08 and we all laughed you off.

I'll be the first to say....we should have paid a little more attention to the issues at that time. You called it.

My logic at the time was why would a coach leave a non AQ school that just played a BCS game for another non AQ school that was in the dumps at the time. As I recall, Hawaii just about matched SMU's money offer at the last minute but JJ still decided to leave. So it couldn't have been for the money.

The only conclusion I could come up with at the time was that JJ saving face was more important to him then the place he said he loved. JJ knew very well that when he loss Colt Brennan and all his receivers the next year he was in danger of setting another record for the biggest turnaround in history but on the losing end this time. He failed to recruit during the Colt Brennan days and he knew it was going to cost him after Colt and his receivers left.

JJ got lucky twice, at least the coaches before left him with decent players to work with. It's ashame he couldn't do that for both his replacements.

My thinking was, he ruined Hawaii's future and he was going to do the same to SMU. As long as he was praised during the process, he was okay with it.

Seems to be his MO.

I have to say you had it right with you criticism of June. I bought his BS and was so happy with going to a bowl. But there were signs: the horses, the leis, the lights, his aloofness.

I went from a June supporter to where Stallion is. But I really blame the ASU fans. This season is their fault.

[PonyKai]

Blame the old-money boosters who were negligent, if not reckless, in their desire to keep June after ASU. They apparently have two standards. What's acceptable when it's your own company or professional pursuit and you answer to shareholders, and what's acceptable when you're investing in a football coach, suffer from tunnel vision and answer to no one.

[Warbow]

[/quote]I can't argue with JJ's recruiting efforts. At Hawaii, he could point to the $60K recruiting budget, but it seems he did even less at SMU.[/quote]


LOL, that was his excuse while at Hawaii, no money to recruit. He couldn't even afford a 1/2 tank of gas to make a 20 minute trip to the North shore of Hawaii to visit Hawaii's football powerhouse High school Kahuku. Instead he burned his bridges with the coaches there and was then not welcomed on the North shore.

June's model...do less with more.

[alyssa]

There it is again, SMU getting made fun of in the media.