How much player turnover for 2015?

[East Coast Mustang]

Obviously, there needs to be a lot. Tons of deadweight on this team that doesn't care about doing the things necessary to contribute, has no business being on a D1 roster, and needs be disassociated from the football team after this semester, similar to when June came on board in 2008 and booted a bunch of guys off the team to make way for his recruits. Funny how we've come full circle in that regard.

I'd love to see the new coach take a full class of upwards of thirty new players (could be backcount five to last year's class?) consisting of 20-22 HS seniors and 8-10 prep school/JUCO guys who can come in and contribute immediately next year- God knows we need an infusion of talent.

[SMU1523]

I do agree we could use more talent on the field. I think a lot of the younger ones can be developed and all of the players should have an opportunity to become great. Even if they weren't being recruited by a lot of schools they chose SMU and that means something. When June and Larry came many athletes were cut from the teams. I personally hate to see that and think SMU should honor their scholarships if removed for anything other than disciplinary reasons. Which, I think they do honor their scholarships, it just isn't counted toward the 85 number. I imagine Chad Morris or Tom Herman or whoever we are bringing in will make a splash in recruiting and we will be lucky to make a bowl next year. I think with the excellent recruiting classes we will be able to compete for a conference championship after two recruiting classes. I also might be a little optimistic.

[East Coast Mustang]

I do agree we could use more talent on the field. I think a lot of the younger ones can be developed and all of the players should have an opportunity to become great. Even if they weren't being recruited by a lot of schools they chose SMU and that means something. When June and Larry came many athletes were cut from the teams. I personally hate to see that and think SMU should honor their scholarships if removed for anything other than disciplinary reasons. Which, I think they do honor their scholarships, it just isn't counted toward the 85 number. I imagine Chad Morris or Tom Herman or whoever we are bringing in will make a splash in recruiting and we will be lucky to make a bowl next year. I think with the excellent recruiting classes we will be able to compete for a conference championship after two recruiting classes. I also might be a little optimistic.

I agree about honoring the scholarships even if they're booted from the 85 man roster. although I imagine some might transfer to FCS schools for a chance to continue playing

[SMU1523]

I do agree we could use more talent on the field. I think a lot of the younger ones can be developed and all of the players should have an opportunity to become great. Even if they weren't being recruited by a lot of schools they chose SMU and that means something. When June and Larry came many athletes were cut from the teams. I personally hate to see that and think SMU should honor their scholarships if removed for anything other than disciplinary reasons. Which, I think they do honor their scholarships, it just isn't counted toward the 85 number. I imagine Chad Morris or Tom Herman or whoever we are bringing in will make a splash in recruiting and we will be lucky to make a bowl next year. I think with the excellent recruiting classes we will be able to compete for a conference championship after two recruiting classes. I also might be a little optimistic.

I agree about honoring the scholarships even if they're booted from the 85 man roster. although I imagine some might transfer to FCS schools for a chance to continue playing

I believe almost all of them do. Nobody wants to be somewhere they aren't wanted, but I imagine there are a few that realize the value of a free SMU education vs. transferring to Sam Houston St. or EWU. (Not knocking the academics of any FCS school, it is just the facts unless transferring to the Ivy League)

[footballdad]

Going to look great for the school if they try to boot 'marginal' players who have never been in trouble, never failed drug tests, and have good grades as well.

Better hope they can find a lot who are struggling academically or failing drug tests. I'm sure there are plenty of those on the team.

[East Coast Mustang]

Going to look great for the school if they try to boot 'marginal' players who have never been in trouble, never failed drug tests, and have good grades as well.

Tell them they can stay and get their degree for free, but their football scholarship is going to someone who can actually contribute at the FBS level. I have zero problem with that.

June did the same thing when he came in 2008.

[footballdad]

Going to look great for the school if they try to boot 'marginal' players who have never been in trouble, never failed drug tests, and have good grades as well.

Tell them they can stay and get their degree for free, but their football scholarship is going to someone who can actually contribute at the FBS level. I have zero problem with that.

I'm sure that would go over well with Turner and the rest of the academics. Guess they have to create the post June Jones scholarship fund outside of the 85 football allotment. Agree that's the only way to do it vs. kicking anyone to the curb who isn't failing academically or numerous drug tests.

How many would you guess June did that for when he arrived?

[sbsmith]

Going to look great for the school if they try to boot 'marginal' players who have never been in trouble, never failed drug tests, and have good grades as well.

It's just one of those things we're going to have to bite the bullet and do. LB got a lot of bad press for culling the hell out of the roster but it eventually passed when he started bringing in better players. No coach worth a damn is going to want to be told that he will be stuck with a bunch of scrubs no matter how well they behave.

[Warbow]

Looks like Jones has put your new coach in a situation like he left Coach McMackin when he left Hawai. Mac had to go the JC route real heavy for his first couple years at Hawaii just to fill holes that Jones left him because of his previous poor recruiting. It's a tuff hill to high. What should be quality players entering their Jr and Sr seasons turns out to be mid level JC guys filling in those gaps.

[RGV Pony]

Going to look great for the school if they try to boot 'marginal' players who have never been in trouble, never failed drug tests, and have good grades as well.

Tell them they can stay and get their degree for free, but their football scholarship is going to someone who can actually contribute at the FBS level. I have zero problem with that.

I'm sure that would go over well with Turner and the rest of the academics. Guess they have to create the post June Jones scholarship fund outside of the 85 football allotment. Agree that's the only way to do it vs. kicking anyone to the curb who isn't failing academically or numerous drug tests.

How many would you guess June did that for when he arrived?

I think it was 9.

Athletics doesn't actually "pay" tuition though it is ledgered as a incurred expense

[vielsiehorsepower]

I'm going to plead my ignorance on this matter so I'm hoping someone can explain.. it seems to me that there wouldn't be a lot of involuntary quitting or “nudging" players to transfer. What's a coach going to bring in, 25 a year? Sure the roster needs to be rebuilt but in the meantime a new hc will still need the old players at the very least for tackling dummies in practice.

Example: say you sign 1 stud qb and he's your guy..he still needs at least 2 back ups until you recruit more competent qbs for the roster.

I can understand gradually cutting excess players wplayers each year but I don't see it as logical for a coach to run off even the players that should be 1aa to make room for people aren't in the incoming recruiting class. But I could be an idiot regarding this

[Rebel10]

Obviously, there needs to be a lot. Tons of deadweight on this team that doesn't care about doing the things necessary to contribute, has no business being on a D1 roster, and needs be disassociated from the football team after this semester, similar to when June came on board in 2008 and booted a bunch of guys off the team to make way for his recruits. Funny how we've come full circle in that regard.

I'd love to see the new coach take a full class of upwards of thirty new players (could be backcount five to last year's class?) consisting of 20-22 HS seniors and 8-10 prep school/JUCO guys who can come in and contribute immediately next year- God knows we need an infusion of talent.

You can't sign 30. NCAA rule now states that you can only sign/admit 25.

[East Coast Mustang]

Reb- 25 is the limit, but I believe you can "backcount" five early enrolling guys to the previous years class, which is how many programs still sign in excess of 25 guys each cycle.

[Rebel10]

Reb- 25 is the limit, but I believe you can "backcount" five early enrolling guys to the previous years class, which is how many programs still sign in excess of 25 guys each cycle.

I believe they modified the rule to stop back counting.

[CA Mustang]

Reb- 25 is the limit, but I believe you can "backcount" five early enrolling guys to the previous years class, which is how many programs still sign in excess of 25 guys each cycle.

I believe they modified the rule to stop back counting.

You can still do it, but they have to enroll early. So if SMU only signed 20 back in February, they could sign an extra five next February except five would have to enroll in January.
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