Austin paper: Mack, lawyer approached by SMU

[Digetydog]

If Mack Brown was such a great coach at UT why isn't he still coaching there?

There are very rich men who treat the team like they own it.

Remember when Jerry Jones fired J Johnson? Same thing - ego driven decision making.

Jimmy Johnson tried to get fired imo. He wanted to coach the dolphins but could not because he was under contract with the cowboys. The firing gave him the avenue he needed to coach the dolphins. Mack did not want to leave.[/quote]

That part is true.

But, Jimmy only had to deal with Jerry.

Mack had to deal with about 10 Billionares who spend a lot of time jockeying for power on the 40 Acres. Forcing him (and Dodds) out was a power play by some of them against the others.

[SMU 86]

Maybe Mack can replace RGT when he retires.

[MustangStealth]

you guys are crazy. If Mack wants to come here, you hire him immediately. His name alone will get people talking about SMU.

So did June Jones

[Pony ^]

you guys are crazy. If Mack wants to come here, you hire him immediately. His name alone will get people talking about SMU.

So did June Jones

Did June Jones have this?

National Championship
Coach of the year
Heisman Trophy winner (Ricky Williams), three Maxwell Award winners (Ricky Williams, Vince Young, Colt McCoy), two Davey O'Brien Award Winners (Vince Young, Colt McCoy), two Doak Walker Award winners, a Butkus Award winner, two Thorpe Award winners and four national player of the year honors. 23 All-Americans, 37 first-team All-Big 12 selections, three Big 12 Offensive Players of the Year, two Big 12 Conference Defensive Players of the Year and seven Big 12 Freshman of the Year honorees.
20 consecutive winning seasons
18 consecutive bowl game appearances
162 consecutive weeks ranked in the AP poll from 2000–2010 and 192 consecutive weeks ranked in the coach's poll from 1998–2010.
Big 12 Conference record 21 consecutive conference wins from 2004–2006.
244 wins

Hate all you want, but the stats speak for themselves. Y'all are right though, he couldn't coach anybody...

[SMU 86]

you guys are crazy. If Mack wants to come here, you hire him immediately. His name alone will get people talking about SMU.

So did June Jones

Did June Jones have this?

National Championship
Coach of the year
Heisman Trophy winner (Ricky Williams), three Maxwell Award winners (Ricky Williams, Vince Young, Colt McCoy), two Davey O'Brien Award Winners (Vince Young, Colt McCoy), two Doak Walker Award winners, a Butkus Award winner, two Thorpe Award winners and four national player of the year honors. 23 All-Americans, 37 first-team All-Big 12 selections, three Big 12 Offensive Players of the Year, two Big 12 Conference Defensive Players of the Year and seven Big 12 Freshman of the Year honorees.
20 consecutive winning seasons
18 consecutive bowl game appearances
162 consecutive weeks ranked in the AP poll from 2000–2010 and 192 consecutive weeks ranked in the coach's poll from 1998–2010.
Big 12 Conference record 21 consecutive conference wins from 2004–2006.
244 wins

Hate all you want, but the stats speak for themselves. Y'all are right though, he couldn't coach anybody...

Well he did have the number one recruiting class in the country several times. You would think he would have won as many championships as Saban since they both recruit about the same.

[Big12Mustang]

I agree.

I also agree.

What happened to the feisty frog?

[StallionsModelT]

The people who don't want Mack Brown are divorced from reality. The legendary resume, ties to Texas, name recognition, and ability to assemble an incredible staff make Mack Brown an unbelievable hire for SMU. If we can't land Morris then Mack should be our primary target. No other coach is out there that we have a realistic shot at getting has the ability to turn this thing around quicker than Mack.

[Nacho]

The people who don't want Mack Brown are divorced from reality. The legendary resume, ties to Texas, name recognition, and ability to assemble an incredible staff make Mack Brown an unbelievable hire for SMU. If we can't land Morris then Mack should be our primary target. No other coach is out there that we have a realistic shot at getting has the ability to turn this thing around quicker than Mack.

completely agree but i would take mack over chad.

[ponyboy]

Me too.

[Digetydog]

you guys are crazy. If Mack wants to come here, you hire him immediately. His name alone will get people talking about SMU.

So did June Jones

Did June Jones have this?

National Championship
Coach of the year
Heisman Trophy winner (Ricky Williams), three Maxwell Award winners (Ricky Williams, Vince Young, Colt McCoy), two Davey O'Brien Award Winners (Vince Young, Colt McCoy), two Doak Walker Award winners, a Butkus Award winner, two Thorpe Award winners and four national player of the year honors. 23 All-Americans, 37 first-team All-Big 12 selections, three Big 12 Offensive Players of the Year, two Big 12 Conference Defensive Players of the Year and seven Big 12 Freshman of the Year honorees.
20 consecutive winning seasons
18 consecutive bowl game appearances
162 consecutive weeks ranked in the AP poll from 2000–2010 and 192 consecutive weeks ranked in the coach's poll from 1998–2010.
Big 12 Conference record 21 consecutive conference wins from 2004–2006.
244 wins

Hate all you want, but the stats speak for themselves. Y'all are right though, he couldn't coach anybody...

Simms, Young, and McCoy 1.0 all got drafted early in the NFL draft. All started for NFL teams. Heck, even Applewhite got to go to camp with an NFL roster.

His "can't develop a QB" reputation only occured b/c Gilbert/Ash couldn't stay healthy and McCoy 2.0 blew.

[Rayburn]

1. What are you basing this on?? I believe it is commonly known that Mack's ability to develop relationships with Texas HS coaches and recruiting the state is unmatched. The reason UT got to the point where they could basically pick their players in the state is because of the relationships he built. It wasn't like that before he arrived.

Mack's relationship with Texas HS coaches WAS unmatched. In his final years at UT many HS coaches soured on him for a number of reasons. How do I know this? My brother-in-law is a HS head coach in Texas. My nephew is a HS head coach in Texas. Another of my brothers-in-law is a UT booster all of them -- along with other sources -- have said that Mack did not maintain good will with many coaches throughout the state.

Is Mack Brown a decent person? Yeah, I think so.
Was Mack a good football coach? Yes, but I think the operative word is WAS. Mack let things slide at UT and that's why he isn't there anymore. He was never an innovative coach or a firebrand motivator, he was a somewhat passive CEO type. I don't think that's what we need.

If Mack Brown is SMU's next football coach, I'll support him (what other choice do I have?) and I hope he makes me eat my words and takes SMU to the football heights. But, based upon what I have seen and heard, I don't think Mack Brown is the guy to do it.

[Rayburn]

His "can't develop a QB" reputation only occured b/c Gilbert/Ash couldn't stay healthy and McCoy 2.0 blew.

No, no, no. He lost a bunch of highly ranked QB recruits who signed with UT and then drifted off elsewhere after a season or two in Austin. One of them was a highly regarded HS QB out of Arizona, another was Matt Nordgren. The Gilbert saga goes deeper than just Mack's inability to develop him. Brown took GG's mind away and almost pushed him out of the program. Brown and his staff very nearly did the same to Vince Young over Young's throwing motion. VY had a sidearm delivery that Mack tried to "correct." The thing is, Young's sidearm delivery is characteristic of QBs that throw on the run (like Single Wing QBs). By trying to make VY into a snap-at-the-chinstrap, Unitas style passer, Mack nearly tore up his meal ticket to the 2005 national championship. Ultimately, VY was saved by having Mack and Greg Davis back off and stop helping him.

Brown's dealings in the Simms/Applewhite debate nearly cost him dearly there as well. He just flat out showed very poor judgment in that mess.

Brown also proved obstinate when it came to his offensive coordinator Greg Davis, who was lousy, yet Mack refused to dump the guy until the boosters nearly mutinied over him.

[Nacho]

coaching careers end badly for almost all coaches.
tom landry
vince lombardi
to name 2 of the all-time greats.

mack is still relatively young.
he evidently wants to coach again to restore his reputation.

anytime you hire an assistant you don't know what you are getting. it may pan out. it may not. toss of the coin. the guy may be a great assistant but a bust as the head guy. all head coaches start out as assistants but there is no way to tell the ones who will succeed.

[Nacho]

coaching careers end badly for almost all coaches.
tom landry
vince lombardi
to name 2 of the all-time greats.

mack is still relatively young.
he evidently wants to coach again to restore his reputation.

anytime you hire an assistant you don't know what you are getting. it may pan out. it may not. toss of the coin. the guy may be a great assistant but a bust as the head guy. all head coaches start out as assistants but there is no way to tell the ones who will succeed.

[Rayburn]

coaching careers end badly for almost all coaches.
tom landry
vince lombardi
to name 2 of the all-time greats.

mack is still relatively young.
he evidently wants to coach again to restore his reputation.

anytime you hire an assistant you don't know what you are getting. it may pan out. it may not. toss of the coin. the guy may be a great assistant but a bust as the head guy. all head coaches start out as assistants but there is no way to tell the ones who will succeed.

Hiring a coach is always a crapshoot. Had we known what a stellar coach Bill Snyder would be, we would have hired him years ago and where would SMU football be now?