God is not a Mustang

[SMU_Alumni11]

BTW this was supposed to be a light-hearted funny thread about god loving Catholics, Baptists and Church of Christ more because their schools are in Top 9 and the Methodist aren't and has turned into a real beat-down

It was a good thread, some morons like to beat-down others for their beliefs... like the person I responded on my previous message. I wish the Methodists (SMU) were in the top 10 even if my denomination defeated the worthless frogs.

[couch 'em]

Gotta wonder why the Chosen People don't have a Division 1 program anywhere. An annual battle with Notre Dame could make for great themeing. Imagine the donations!

[Sic_em]

I am a Methodist who attended Baylor undergrad and SMU for grad school.

orguy's comments about Baylor are off-base, IMO...the school is still somewhat evangelical but had a huge internal fight back in the mid-90s when the Southern Baptist Convention went in a more fundamental direction. Baylor aligned itself with the more progressive Baptist General Convention of Texas and rewrote its charter to limit the number of regents the BGCT were allowed to appoint.

Baylor does still have a required religious component...each student takes two religious courses, Old and New Testament. I guess that some could interpret that as cramming the Bible down your throat, but when I was there, I had one pretty conservative prof and one who was liberal for the religious classes.

There is also a non-credit component that is mandatory called Chapel-Forum that Freshmen have to attend. When I was there, it was mostly a mix of religious and political speakers.

FWIW, Baptists make up less than 40% of the student population these days. Methodists and Catholics both have large groups within the student body.

[orguy]

BTW this was supposed to be a light-hearted funny thread about god loving Catholics, Baptists and Church of Christ more because their schools are in Top 9 and the Methodist aren't and has turned into a real beat-down

It was a good thread, some morons like to beat-down others for their beliefs... like the person I responded on my previous message. I wish the Methodists (SMU) were in the top 10 even if my denomination defeated the worthless frogs.

BYU is Mormon. Baylor is Baptist. To say SMU is "Methodist" is quite a stretch. Is Tulsa Presbyterian? NOT. Love the name SMU and think the school should never change it but its not a religious school anymore than USC or Tulane or Tulsa. I think TCU may have the same student body makeup as SMU though not sure (however I've known many more fire and brimstone type Baptists who attended TCU). The disciples of Christ is a moderate middle of the road christian denomination although to outsiders their denomination often gets confused with the "church of Christ" which is unfortunate.

BTW: agree about Mormon folk beating down others. Of all the protestant like religions in this country they are definitely the most arrogant and intolerant in my view (no flames just a generalized observation like all of this).

[orguy]

I am a Methodist who attended Baylor undergrad and SMU for grad school.

orguy's comments about Baylor are off-base, IMO...the school is still somewhat evangelical but had a huge internal fight back in the mid-90s when the Southern Baptist Convention went in a more fundamental direction. Baylor aligned itself with the more progressive Baptist General Convention of Texas and rewrote its charter to limit the number of regents the BGCT were allowed to appoint.

Baylor does still have a required religious component...each student takes two religious courses, Old and New Testament. I guess that some could interpret that as cramming the Bible down your throat, but when I was there, I had one pretty conservative prof and one who was liberal for the religious classes.

There is also a non-credit component that is mandatory called Chapel-Forum that Freshmen have to attend. When I was there, it was mostly a mix of religious and political speakers.

FWIW, Baptists make up less than 40% of the student population these days. Methodists and Catholics both have large groups within the student body.

I did not know that. Good for Baylor. Diversity is good. As stated in the previous post most of those I've known who attended Baylor were Southern Baptists or Pentecostal Evangelical types. Just an observation from an older SMU alum.

Had no idea Baylor had aligned with anything "progressive" but I stand corrected. Moderate Baptist belief is more mainstream in my view and starkly at odds with the fundamentalist forces within that church. I just remember the battles in the early 1980's over the direction of the school. Evidently I was wrong about what Baylor is like now.

I still think of Baylor as a Religious school located in a small central Texas town. Not a knock either. It is what it is.

[ponyboy]

Since when are "evangelical" or "fundamentalist" bad words? I'm proud to be both. And a Methodist.

[Greenwich Pony]

I fundamentally disagree with the premise of this thread. After all, I think Job's football team sucked for years wandering through the desert too... Our fanbase is being tested by the Lord, to see what we can handle and God apparently thinks we're complete badasses...

[SMUrf]

Old thread, but there's lots of bad info here.

Southern Methodist University is indeed "owned" by the South Central Jurisdiction of the UM Church.

See SMU's own website; http://www.smu.edu/Admission/ConnectWithUs/FAQ

What is SMU's connection with the United Methodist Church?
SMU was founded in 1911 by what is now known as the United Methodist Church. Today, SMU is owned by the South Central Jurisdiction of the United Methodist Church. The ties with the church are strong. SMU is nonsectarian in its teaching. Enrollment is religiously diverse. Courses in religion are offered but not required. Management is vested in a Board of Trustees comprising civic, business, educational, and religious leaders who represent various faiths and geographic areas.

Additionally, the board of trustees is comprised of 12 persons (3 UM bishops and 9 trustees) appointed by the S.C. Jurisdiction who then appoint 26 trustees and 4 ex-officios.

[RGV Pony]

And another of the trustees is a sitting pastor at a dallas umc

[CalallenStang]

Old thread, but there's lots of bad info here.

Southern Methodist University is indeed "owned" by the South Central Jurisdiction of the UM Church.

See SMU's own website; http://www.smu.edu/Admission/ConnectWithUs/FAQ

What is SMU's connection with the United Methodist Church?
SMU was founded in 1911 by what is now known as the United Methodist Church. Today, SMU is owned by the South Central Jurisdiction of the United Methodist Church. The ties with the church are strong. SMU is nonsectarian in its teaching. Enrollment is religiously diverse. Courses in religion are offered but not required. Management is vested in a Board of Trustees comprising civic, business, educational, and religious leaders who represent various faiths and geographic areas.

Additionally, the board of trustees is comprised of 12 persons (3 UM bishops and 9 trustees) appointed by the S.C. Jurisdiction who then appoint 26 trustees and 4 ex-officios.

Our own website is incorrect about ownership. SMU is a 501c3 and therefore is not "owned" by any external party other than the public at-large.

http://www.501c3.org/blog/who-really-owns-a-nonprofit/

[SMUrf]

Old thread, but there's lots of bad info here.

Southern Methodist University is indeed "owned" by the South Central Jurisdiction of the UM Church.

See SMU's own website; http://www.smu.edu/Admission/ConnectWithUs/FAQ

What is SMU's connection with the United Methodist Church?
SMU was founded in 1911 by what is now known as the United Methodist Church. Today, SMU is owned by the South Central Jurisdiction of the United Methodist Church. The ties with the church are strong. SMU is nonsectarian in its teaching. Enrollment is religiously diverse. Courses in religion are offered but not required. Management is vested in a Board of Trustees comprising civic, business, educational, and religious leaders who represent various faiths and geographic areas.

Additionally, the board of trustees is comprised of 12 persons (3 UM bishops and 9 trustees) appointed by the S.C. Jurisdiction who then appoint 26 trustees and 4 ex-officios.

Our own website is incorrect about ownership. SMU is a 501c3 and therefore is not "owned" by any external party other than the public at-large.

http://www.501c3.org/blog/who-really-owns-a-nonprofit/

Incorrect. Read the corporate charter of the university; section II.

[CalallenStang]

The corporate charter of the university does not override United States federal law.

But if you are debating that SMU is a 501c3...

Southern Methodist University is exempt from federal income tax as an educational institution under section 501(c)(3) of the Internal Revenue Code.
http://www.smu.edu/BusinessFinance/Cont ... Compliance

[SMUrf]

The corporate charter of the university does not override United States federal law.

But if you are debating that SMU is a 501c3...

Southern Methodist University is exempt from federal income tax as an educational institution under section 501(c)(3) of the Internal Revenue Code.
http://www.smu.edu/BusinessFinance/Cont ... Compliance

SMU is organized in much the same way as a local United Methodist Church. All property is owned by the South Central Jurisdiction of the UMC. This was a point of contention within the UMC when the Bush library was proposed. Look it up.

[SMUrf]

Here's a link that specifically cites section II of the charter;

http://www.umc.org/decisions/41118/eyJy ... BlIjoiMSJ9

The corporate charter of Southern Methodist University (Article II) provides that "said educational institution to be forever owned, maintained and controlled by the South Central Jurisdictional Conference of The Methodist Church.

Southern Methodist University is administered by a Board of Trustees, all of whom are either elected or approved by the South Central Jurisdictional Conference.

[CalallenStang]

The corporate charter of the university does not override United States federal law.

But if you are debating that SMU is a 501c3...

Southern Methodist University is exempt from federal income tax as an educational institution under section 501(c)(3) of the Internal Revenue Code.
http://www.smu.edu/BusinessFinance/Cont ... Compliance

SMU is organized in much the same way as a local United Methodist Church. All property is owned by the South Central Jurisdiction of the UMC. This was a point of contention within the UMC when the Bush library was proposed. Look it up.

The property may be owned by the UMC (not sure here) but the institution is a 501c3 and thus is not owned by anyone.