Davis is a good spread option QB

[couch 'em]

What a giant circle jherk. The entire team is bad, from average talent level to coaching to scheme. Now that we are playing awful teams we are showing a spark while getting blown out. We could have Warren Moon running around back there and he could 1. Do little because he had no help, or 2. Do it all by himself but we are playing garbage.

What do we have? Who knows. No data.

[footballdad]

First...pretty much no one on this team who plays is showing, well, anything. Mediocre currently equals excellence right now. That sucks. That indicates we have issues at, well, pretty much every position. So Davis didn't epically suck at Tulsa...that equates to some amazing QB ratio based on the mediocre is excellence scale. He has shown poorly earlier against better competition. Does he have all the tangible skill-sets we desire? Possibly not. Is he the answer? Lord knows. Is he another option to possibly have us lose by less than double-digits this season? Yes. So let's all embrace our outstanding mediocrity and see what happens. If nothing else, the new staff will have more game footage to start their process of tweaking his game before next season.

Then again, I have little experience and I am often negative about this team and it's players (then again, I guess the promise of throwing an 0-fer up on the board with little chance of scoring more in the season than your average freshman guy at senior prom is a bit daunting). Emotion is nice, and the power of positive thinking is pretty effective, but one of the things I have learned in my time in the Navy is when you fail an evolution you have to honestly and openly and objectively study every aspect of that failure to prevent a repeat and become a better organization. Well, seems the administration never had that desire for introspective investigation post the ASU debacle, and now we are faced with a crap-storm of extraordinary proportions. Guess we didn't learn....hope we do this time.

And leave footballdad alone. He is still impressed by Vanderbilt and wishes he...I mean, wishes his kid had played there.

Navy.......enough said! Finally admits "little experience and often negative", that's a start.

[footballdad]

Guys, we are the worst team in the NCAA this year. Can we at least agree that on offense, Davis and KC actually show a little something that might be used next season?

Davis isn't going to be Boykin next year. That said:
- He IS a natural leader (was the leader in A&M's recruiting class, and has been a leader with the team the moment he stepped foot on campus).
- He is very athletic.
- There aren't any SMU QBs who have EVER run for 180, completed a high percentage of his passes and thrown for 200.
- Although there are limitations, he is better than Swoopes at UT and Ward in Houston.

Why don't we chill with the criticisms of one of the few players who has shown anything this season? I don't think Dad was saying he is the next coming of Ramon, but if we run a spread, he is probably the guy starting next year, and is probably good enough to start in front of a true freshman, at least until the frosh gets his feet on the ground.

I DO find it a little ironic that I think some of you guys criticized June for pushing Willis to another position when he was the only thing that performed decently on offense the year before, but yet now you are saying we should do the same thing to Davis when he is the only thing that has looked halfway decent this year.

And yes, I am aware that the high school stats between the two are different - willis threw fro 3K and ran for 1K his senior year, he was much more prolific through the air than Davis in high school. But I see Davis as a better athlete and just as strong an arm.

Well said. Good luck getting any of these kids to stop complaining long enough to put together a legitimate argument without trying to make it personal.

[Digetydog]

Guys, we are the worst team in the NCAA this year. Can we at least agree that on offense, Davis and KC actually show a little something that might be used next season?

Davis isn't going to be Boykin next year. That said:
- He IS a natural leader (was the leader in A&M's recruiting class, and has been a leader with the team the moment he stepped foot on campus).
- He is very athletic.
- There aren't any SMU QBs who have EVER run for 180, completed a high percentage of his passes and thrown for 200.
- Although there are limitations, he is better than Swoopes at UT and Ward in Houston.

Why don't we chill with the criticisms of one of the few players who has shown anything this season? I don't think Dad was saying he is the next coming of Ramon, but if we run a spread, he is probably the guy starting next year, and is probably good enough to start in front of a true freshman, at least until the frosh gets his feet on the ground.

I DO find it a little ironic that I think some of you guys criticized June for pushing Willis to another position when he was the only thing that performed decently on offense the year before, but yet now you are saying we should do the same thing to Davis when he is the only thing that has looked halfway decent this year.

And yes, I am aware that the high school stats between the two are different - willis threw fro 3K and ran for 1K his senior year, he was much more prolific through the air than Davis in high school. But I see Davis as a better athlete and just as strong an arm.

Well said. Good luck getting any of these kids to stop complaining long enough to put together a legitimate argument without trying to make it personal.

Regardless of how this team's record turns out, there are some quality kids on the roster giving it their best. While very few are likely to be around when we challenge for an AAC title, many of them are good enough (used the right way in the right offense) to help with the rebuild. There is no reason that this team cannot go to the "Weedeater" Bowl in 2016.

1) Davis, in a system that highlights his mobility, can be OK. If not, Sievert or Burcham (or the recruit) will start in a system that doesn't need as much mobility.
2) Klemchi, Gresham and Line aren't horrible.
3) We desperately need bigger WRs to go with Gaines, Halverson, Joseph, and Walker
4) It all boils down to the OL. Until they are reasonably effective, the Aaron Rogers couldn't put up decent numbers. Until they are reasonably effective, the entire Pony Express (Dickerson/James/Waggoner) couldn't run the ball consistently.

June's biggest problem from a "coaching" perspective was inflexibility. He wanted to run his system even if he didn't have the horses to do it. The next coach won't make that mistake.

[ponyboy]

I wonder what game people are watching. Davis far and away gives us the best chance to win. Far and away, no argument to the contrary even possible.

[Big12Mustang]

I wonder what game people are watching. Davis far and away gives us the best chance to win. Far and away, no argument to the contrary even possible.

Davis is by far our best QB. OLine needs to get better, and they have indeed improved.

[Puckhead48E]

Navy.......enough said! Finally admits "little experience and often negative", that's a start.[/quote]

I will give you credit...you have so much experience of excellence that you raised a kid good enough to play on this team.

Not too sure what your Navy comment means....but sadly, I could pick a few base teams that would give this team a run for their money.

[Stangsupporter]

Footballdad- As an ex college player and high school coach, I'm confident in saying I know the game of football... And like you I have a vested interest in this team.

Matt Davis played well. Needs to limit the turnovers and learn to keep his eyes downfield when the pocket collapses, but he showcased his abilities enough to see another start.

What I find interesting is your recent criticism of the entire offense, (quoting your post) "our sh*t schemes, weak Oline, and mighty midget receivers who can't get open." Prior to Davis' start, all your posts specifically called out the QB as the reason for offensive struggles. But now, it's everyone else but the QB. Tells me your comments are unquestionably biased.

In fact, I would argue our run game (with our RBs) and our offensive playcalling against Tulsa was the best I've seen this year. Can't remember a game I saw vert routes, screen plays, play action boots, shallow crossers... and positive rushing plays.

[Digetydog]

Footballdad- As an ex college player and high school coach, I'm confident in saying I know the game of football... And like you I have a vested interest in this team.

Matt Davis played well. Needs to limit the turnovers and learn to keep his eyes downfield when the pocket collapses, but he showcased his abilities enough to see another start.

What I find interesting is your recent criticism of the entire offense, (quoting your post) "our sh*t schemes, weak Oline, and mighty midget receivers who can't get open." Prior to Davis' start, all your posts specifically called out the QB as the reason for offensive struggles. But now, it's everyone else but the QB. Tells me your comments are unquestionably biased.

In fact, I would argue our run game (with our RBs) and our offensive playcalling against Tulsa was the best I've seen this year. Can't remember a game I saw vert routes, screen plays, play action boots, shallow crossers... and positive rushing plays.

I like the changes that they have made to the offense. Unfortunately, the changes should have been made in the Spring and the ability to make wholesale changes is probably limited.

I hate June Jones. The players deserved a modern offense.

[footballdad]

Footballdad- As an ex college player and high school coach, I'm confident in saying I know the game of football... And like you I have a vested interest in this team.

Matt Davis played well. Needs to limit the turnovers and learn to keep his eyes downfield when the pocket collapses, but he showcased his abilities enough to see another start.

What I find interesting is your recent criticism of the entire offense, (quoting your post) "our sh*t schemes, weak Oline, and mighty midget receivers who can't get open." Prior to Davis' start, all your posts specifically called out the QB as the reason for offensive struggles. But now, it's everyone else but the QB. Tells me your comments are unquestionably biased.

In fact, I would argue our run game (with our RBs) and our offensive playcalling against Tulsa was the best I've seen this year. Can't remember a game I saw vert routes, screen plays, play action boots, shallow crossers... and positive rushing plays.

Well said by Digetydog above. I apologize for my 'colorful' critique, but my comments are unquestionably biased against June Jones, 70% of his idiotic staff, and 100% of his scheme. I have been calling for Mason to make major changes to the offense and give Davis a legit shot since the day June quit. I am also one of the few here who has stated publicly (for which I've been criticized harshly) that I believe the new staff with a new scheme is going to make all the difference in the world, even with our existing players. Especially if we're lucky enough to land Morris or Herman (Herman being my personal preference at this point).

Yes, we need to upgrade our talent across the board, June did not recruit, we all know this. Davis may not be our savior, but he is our first option, especially in a Morris or Herman offense. The resume of both of these guys should be able to attract a really good Texas dual-threat QB as well. With Nlemchi, Line & Gresham there is plenty of talent. the OLine has to be recruited to the scheme and I'd think the new staff would recruit the tackle position right away to find some quicker feet to slow down the edge rush. The mini slot receiver position was way over-recruited but DJ & Halverson seem like nice options there. On the outside I could definitely see Sutton and take your pick? (Walker, Ingram,??????) Find a way to use Gaines in an H-back/TE role. Get a Juco OL & WR stud, or a few top recruits at those spots and we're in business.

It seems the majority here believe that we are utterly void of any talent, we will not even be competitive for 3-4 years, blah,blah,blah. I suppose I am biased toward the team and players since I also have a vested interest like yourself. Outside of the X's & O's, I also believe we will see immediate and immeasurable benefits simply from a change in the culture. I have used the word toxic in the past to describe it and I don't believe that is an exaggeration. The attitudes and coaching talent on this staff are inexcusable and an embarrassment to the University. I'm holding my breathe that those in charge have the right combination of smarts and luck to make this a home run hire.

With the right leader, I think we turn what could very well be an 0-12 season, around fairly quickly.

Let the criticism begin

[fifty]

We have some talent. A lot of it was on the bench/injured the 1st half of the year.

Semi-related: Why does jeremiah gaines only have 2 receptions this year? Don't the coaches like big fast strong guys?
It seems like either we can't see the forest through the trees or we have a lot of guys in the 'dog house' or secretly injured.

[Stallion]

Gaines is simply not an outside receiver-he's an H-Back/TE. He's another perfect example of why recruiting tall receivers that don't have the speed to get open works worse than compromising on some height to get a faster/quicker outside receivers. Fans that watch too much NFL Football think these guys grow on trees. In fact, the tall speedy outside receiver is rare and highly recruited

[StallionsModelT]

Footballdad- As an ex college player and high school coach, I'm confident in saying I know the game of football... And like you I have a vested interest in this team.

Matt Davis played well. Needs to limit the turnovers and learn to keep his eyes downfield when the pocket collapses, but he showcased his abilities enough to see another start.

What I find interesting is your recent criticism of the entire offense, (quoting your post) "our sh*t schemes, weak Oline, and mighty midget receivers who can't get open." Prior to Davis' start, all your posts specifically called out the QB as the reason for offensive struggles. But now, it's everyone else but the QB. Tells me your comments are unquestionably biased.

In fact, I would argue our run game (with our RBs) and our offensive playcalling against Tulsa was the best I've seen this year. Can't remember a game I saw vert routes, screen plays, play action boots, shallow crossers... and positive rushing plays.

Well said by Digetydog above. I apologize for my 'colorful' critique, but my comments are unquestionably biased against June Jones, 70% of his idiotic staff, and 100% of his scheme. I have been calling for Mason to make major changes to the offense and give Davis a legit shot since the day June quit. I am also one of the few here who has stated publicly (for which I've been criticized harshly) that I believe the new staff with a new scheme is going to make all the difference in the world, even with our existing players. Especially if we're lucky enough to land Morris or Herman (Herman being my personal preference at this point).

Yes, we need to upgrade our talent across the board, June did not recruit, we all know this. Davis may not be our savior, but he is our first option, especially in a Morris or Herman offense. The resume of both of these guys should be able to attract a really good Texas dual-threat QB as well. With Nlemchi, Line & Gresham there is plenty of talent. the OLine has to be recruited to the scheme and I'd think the new staff would recruit the tackle position right away to find some quicker feet to slow down the edge rush. The mini slot receiver position was way over-recruited but DJ & Halverson seem like nice options there. On the outside I could definitely see Sutton and take your pick? (Walker, Ingram,??????) Find a way to use Gaines in an H-back/TE role. Get a Juco OL & WR stud, or a few top recruits at those spots and we're in business.

It seems the majority here believe that we are utterly void of any talent, we will not even be competitive for 3-4 years, blah,blah,blah. I suppose I am biased toward the team and players since I also have a vested interest like yourself. Outside of the X's & O's, I also believe we will see immediate and immeasurable benefits simply from a change in the culture. I have used the word toxic in the past to describe it and I don't believe that is an exaggeration. The attitudes and coaching talent on this staff are inexcusable and an embarrassment to the University. I'm holding my breathe that those in charge have the right combination of smarts and luck to make this a home run hire.

With the right leader, I think we turn what could very well be an 0-12 season, around fairly quickly.

Let the criticism begin

If we are able to win 3 games next year regardless of the coach then I will be incredibly encouraged and the man should get serious consideration for AAC Coach of the Year. He is walking into a total disaster and a roster that is almost entirely comprised of players that have no business on a D1A roster.

[fifty]

Gaines may not be super fast...but neither is anyone else on the team. Not like we have Bob Hayes and Willie Gault playing over him.

[footballdad]

Footballdad- As an ex college player and high school coach, I'm confident in saying I know the game of football... And like you I have a vested interest in this team.

Matt Davis played well. Needs to limit the turnovers and learn to keep his eyes downfield when the pocket collapses, but he showcased his abilities enough to see another start.

What I find interesting is your recent criticism of the entire offense, (quoting your post) "our sh*t schemes, weak Oline, and mighty midget receivers who can't get open." Prior to Davis' start, all your posts specifically called out the QB as the reason for offensive struggles. But now, it's everyone else but the QB. Tells me your comments are unquestionably biased.

In fact, I would argue our run game (with our RBs) and our offensive playcalling against Tulsa was the best I've seen this year. Can't remember a game I saw vert routes, screen plays, play action boots, shallow crossers... and positive rushing plays.

Well said by Digetydog above. I apologize for my 'colorful' critique, but my comments are unquestionably biased against June Jones, 70% of his idiotic staff, and 100% of his scheme. I have been calling for Mason to make major changes to the offense and give Davis a legit shot since the day June quit. I am also one of the few here who has stated publicly (for which I've been criticized harshly) that I believe the new staff with a new scheme is going to make all the difference in the world, even with our existing players. Especially if we're lucky enough to land Morris or Herman (Herman being my personal preference at this point).

Yes, we need to upgrade our talent across the board, June did not recruit, we all know this. Davis may not be our savior, but he is our first option, especially in a Morris or Herman offense. The resume of both of these guys should be able to attract a really good Texas dual-threat QB as well. With Nlemchi, Line & Gresham there is plenty of talent. the OLine has to be recruited to the scheme and I'd think the new staff would recruit the tackle position right away to find some quicker feet to slow down the edge rush. The mini slot receiver position was way over-recruited but DJ & Halverson seem like nice options there. On the outside I could definitely see Sutton and take your pick? (Walker, Ingram,??????) Find a way to use Gaines in an H-back/TE role. Get a Juco OL & WR stud, or a few top recruits at those spots and we're in business.

It seems the majority here believe that we are utterly void of any talent, we will not even be competitive for 3-4 years, blah,blah,blah. I suppose I am biased toward the team and players since I also have a vested interest like yourself. Outside of the X's & O's, I also believe we will see immediate and immeasurable benefits simply from a change in the culture. I have used the word toxic in the past to describe it and I don't believe that is an exaggeration. The attitudes and coaching talent on this staff are inexcusable and an embarrassment to the University. I'm holding my breathe that those in charge have the right combination of smarts and luck to make this a home run hire.

With the right leader, I think we turn what could very well be an 0-12 season, around fairly quickly.

Let the criticism begin

If we are able to win 3 games next year regardless of the coach then I will be incredibly encouraged and the man should get serious consideration for AAC Coach of the Year. He is walking into a total disaster and a roster that is almost entirely comprised of players that have no business on a D1A roster.

Haha, of course. Never mind the fact that there are plenty of guys (many mentioned above) who had plenty of talent and received plenty of other offers out of high school. Gaines is the perfect example. He could easily go from a little used player in June's scheme to an integral part of what the new staff wants to do going forward.

But according to you, guys like him have no business on a D1A roster