Davis is a good spread option QB

[StallionsModelT]

The majority of the players June recruited (not all) were marginal D1A recruits with no BCS offers and few (if any) non BCS offers. So far this season this roster is on pace to be one of the worst in the history of college football in record, point differential, and nearly every statistical metric you can imagine.

So yeah. Most of these kids don't belong at this level. The proof is in the pudding.

[gostangs]

I guarantee Gaines will be one of the stars next year - because the chances we have a TE go from 0% to 100% no matter who we hire, unless we get June back heaven forbid.

[redpony]

Haha, of course. Never mind the fact that there are plenty of guys (many mentioned above) who had plenty of talent and received plenty of other offers out of high school.

Although I agree with many of your comments I take exception to the 'plenty of offers' comment.
IIRC almost none of the recruits from the last two years had offers from P5 schools. The few P5 offers that were made were mostly from lower tier schools.

[footballdad]

Haha, of course. Never mind the fact that there are plenty of guys (many mentioned above) who had plenty of talent and received plenty of other offers out of high school.

Although I agree with many of your comments I take exception to the 'plenty of offers' comment.
IIRC almost none of the recruits from the last two years had offers from P5 schools. The few P5 offers that were made were mostly from lower tier schools.

Let's see, just from the skill guys I quickly mentioned on offense (with a quick rivals scan):

Davis - 4 star - 20+ offers from all the big boys
Nlemchi - 3 star - 5 offers including Arkansas & Utah
Gresham - 3 star - 17 offers from Bama to Ohio State to Texas
Sutton - 3 star - 9 offers including BYU, Colorado & Washington St.
Gaines - 3 star - 18 offers from Miss St, Arizona St, Iowa, TCU, Vandy etc
Walker - 2 star - 5 offers, best from Boise St, Houston & Michigan St.
Ingram - TCU made a late push because of his 4.3 speed to try at receiver or corner.

Everyone just keep trying to tear our guys down, facts be damned

[StallionsModelT]

7 guys out of how many on scholarship?

[footballdad]

The majority of the players June recruited (not all) were marginal D1A recruits with no BCS offers and few (if any) non BCS offers. So far this season this roster is on pace to be one of the worst in the history of college football in record, point differential, and nearly every statistical metric you can imagine.

So yeah. Most of these kids don't belong at this level. The proof is in the pudding.

There is no proof of anything from June Jones & Co. and his scheme. Let's see what a real staff can do. The myth that we have no talent is kind of like the myth that Jones is a guru. Just because you repeat it over and over and over, doesn't make it true.

See above list for your missing offers.

[StallionsModelT]

Yep. He recruited a handful of nice players. You're ignoring the other 75% that had little to no interest from other D1A programs.

[footballdad]

7 guys out of how many on scholarship?

"Let's see, just from the skill guys I quickly mentioned on offense (with a quick rivals scan):"

Those are just the skill guys that happened to pertain to this thread. You run the whole roster if you'd like. Pretty obvious point is that the constant 'zero talent' mantra from the eternal negative on this board is nonsense.

Although I'm sure you'll find some way to dispute the offer lists

[redpony]

fbdad- I'm not trying to beat down the quality of the players we have. IMO the honest truth is that there are not many on this team that could start on a P5 team. I think it is obvious when we play teams like BU, A&M, TCU etc. that our players just aren't equal. I would agree that some of that falls on coaching but if you watch the teams you can see that we are totally outclassed.
Hell, even some of the AAC schools had players that were obviously bigger, better conditioned and more talented that what we put on the field.

[footballdad]

Yep. He recruited a handful of nice players. You're ignoring the other 75% that had little to no interest from other D1A programs.

So stay on point. I agree 100% that June was garbage, didn't recruit enough talent, etc, etc,etc. Even with your 25% estimate of 'nice players', that would equal 21.25 'nice players' on a scholarship roster of 85, correct?

So instead of your mantra that we have zero D1 talent and the sky is falling; maybe if you admit that we have 21.25 nice players on the team to build for the future, we might just agree on something.

[Stallion]

I've been saying that the SMU Football program was "stair-stepping down" in talent for 3 years but wow that last step is off the cliff. I don't think there is any excuse why SMU didn't win 4 games this year -other than I think June REALLY screwed up recruiting at the QB and RB position and it came back to bite him in the [deleted]. But there are other factors such a weight and conditioning and player development that simply are inexcusable. I'm not around the practice field but these coaches did not develop the talent they did have. We should be beating NTSU, Tulsa etc. A transition from a Run and Shoot team is always difficult because you got so many of those tiny receivers, no TEs and pro-style QBs that often don't match well with the new offense of the new coach

[footballdad]

fbdad- I'm not trying to beat down the quality of the players we have. IMO the honest truth is that there are not many on this team that could start on a P5 team. I think it is obvious when we play teams like BU, A&M, TCU etc. that our players just aren't equal. I would agree that some of that falls on coaching but if you watch the teams you can see that we are totally outclassed.
Hell, even some of the AAC schools had players that were obviously bigger, better conditioned and more talented that what we put on the field.

No argument there. But guess what.....SMU is not P5, so let's start by getting up to par, and then dominating the AAC. The new staff should be able to recruit to the level necessary, and hopefully the staff and scheme can make up for the inevitable talent difference we'll still have to overcome against the BU & TCU's of the P5 world.

Getting rid of Mel and replacing with a real strength & conditioning coach and program should go a long way in solving your 'bigger, better conditioned' gripe, which I certainly agree with.

[sbsmith]

I don't think there is any excuse why SMU didn't win 4 games this year

SMU can still win 4 games this year

[ebrooks11]

The best thing about Davis playing is the fact that I don't want to slit my wrists while watching the offense. He at least has some talent and that is obvious. Watching the other QB's is like watching a junior high girls volleyball game. I think next year if we can get a couple JUCO lineman on both sides of the ball and maybe a couple of receivers we might be serviceable. Couple that with Davis, Nlemchi and a decent Strength and Conditioning program and we could win a few games.

[footballdad]

I've been saying that the SMU Football program was "stair-stepping down" in talent for 3 years but wow that last step is off the cliff. I don't think there is any excuse why SMU didn't win 4 games this year -other than I think June REALLY screwed up recruiting at the QB and RB position and it came back to bite him in the [deleted]. But there are other factors such a weight and conditioning and player development that simply are inexcusable. I'm not around the practice field but these coaches did not develop the talent they did have. We should be beating NTSU, Tulsa etc. A transition from a Run and Shoot team is always difficult because he got so many of those tiny receivers, no TEs and pro-style QBs that often don't match well with the new offense of the new coach

Agreed, June & Co. have been an ever worsening disaster in all aspects, not just recruiting.

So if June retires last year, and we hired Morris or Herman, would this have been a .500 team with Davis at the helm of their style of dual-threat offense? With Nlemchi & Gresham in the backfield, Gaines at TE/Hback, Sutton in the mix out wide?

Huge hypothetical I know