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Re: Where are all the Pontificators that said

Postby ericdickerson4life » Fri Nov 21, 2014 1:59 pm

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ericdickerson4life wrote:This is pretty simple stuff folks. You can't turn the ball over almost 20 times in a game and expect to win. That has little to do with a backup point guard.

Did you watch either game? When the primary point guard is making a lot of unforced turnover and bad decisions sometimes you need someone else to come in and try to calm things down. Backup point guard is not just for when the primary gets in foul trouble.


Yep, watched the game. Thanks for asking! Can't believe anyone cares that I did watch the game.

The backup PG was not the reason why we struggled yesterday. But thanks for trying to use that as an excuse. We turned the ball over 20 times! Then at a critical stretch had several empty trips down the floor in a row. That's how you lose that game. Manual was not the reason we lost it (he had 1 TO) and we played pretty well with him on the floor leading the way. And if you add Mudiay in there we still probably lose, hello 20 turnovers! MK doesn't dribble the ball down the court or initiate the offense so his grades don't matter in this one. You can't turn the ball over 20 times in a game and win against a decent opponent on their floor. Simple. Play better. This is not a personnel issue. This is not a talent issue or recruiting issue. This is a, play to your ability and eliminate the mental mistakes issue. That's the kind of thing that happens to a team that is trying to figure out how to play together early in the season and when coaches are trying to find the optimal lineup and player rotation. I think Brown even said if he had his way with this team he would play these games in December not November.
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Re: Where are all the Pontificators that said

Postby Rebel10 » Fri Nov 21, 2014 2:12 pm

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ericdickerson4life wrote:This is pretty simple stuff folks. You can't turn the ball over almost 20 times in a game and expect to win. That has little to do with a backup point guard.

Did you watch either game? When the primary point guard is making a lot of unforced turnover and bad decisions sometimes you need someone else to come in and try to calm things down. Backup point guard is not just for when the primary gets in foul trouble.


Yep, watched the game. Thanks for asking! Can't believe anyone cares that I did watch the game.

The backup PG was not the reason why we struggled yesterday. But thanks for trying to use that as an excuse. We turned the ball over 20 times! Then at a critical stretch had several empty trips down the floor in a row. That's how you lose that game. Manual was not the reason we lost it (he had 1 TO) and we played pretty well with him on the floor leading the way. And if you add Mudiay in there we still probably lose, hello 20 turnovers! MK doesn't dribble the ball down the court or initiate the offense so his grades don't matter in this one. You can't turn the ball over 20 times in a game and win against a decent opponent on their floor. Simple. Play better. This is not a personnel issue. This is not a talent issue or recruiting issue. This is a, play to your ability and eliminate the mental mistakes issue. That's the kind of thing that happens to a team that is trying to figure out how to play together early in the season and when coaches are trying to find the optimal lineup and player rotation. I think Brown even said if he had his way with this team he would play these games in December not November.


If you think that we do not need a backup point guard you are the only one. Nic made a lot of unforced turnovers and the offense was not as good when Manuel was in the game. Nic also made some bad decisions, he did not have a good game. Mudiay at point and Nic playing of the ball and it is a different game. You are probably one of the few that thought the team played well with Manuel in there. He does not have an offensive game. But try to pontificate all you want. We do need a backup true point guard. Most on the board think the Manuel should be left on the bench. It is foolish to have seen the games we have played and think we are just as good without another true point guard on the team than not. Brown, Coach K, Coach Cal, and others schedule a few of these games early for a reason. I think you were a June Jones suck up as well as I recall so your perspective may be off base anyway Corso.
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Re: Where are all the Pontificators that said

Postby SMU 86 » Fri Nov 21, 2014 2:20 pm

Regardless of if it was the reason we lost the game or not we could use a good backup point guard. I think the team plays better when MK comes back.
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Re: Where are all the Pontificators that said

Postby PonySnob » Fri Nov 21, 2014 4:32 pm

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SMU 86 wrote:Maybe because the system takes a while to learn. I think we will be fine when MK returns.


New players/freshman at other schools seem to be able to step right in and have big nights. See Blackmon last night.


True but our system may be more complex than others especially on defense.


What is it about SMU coaches and their schemes being so complex?
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Re: Where are all the Pontificators that said

Postby Blunt Pony » Fri Nov 21, 2014 5:13 pm

There are a couple of things that are getting tired. One is the "if Mudiay were here" comments. He is not here and will not be here and that is really through no fault of ours. Are we going to hear this everytime we have poor performance at guard?? Seriously, we all wish he was here but it is not happening. Second, Nic Moore is our best player and we are hung up on who his backup is. Nic needs to play better for us to win. He needs to stay out of foul trouble and get 35 minutes a night. Sorry, but we have to lean on him (especially without MK) and his play is going to dictate our success, not his backup. I am not blaming Nic for the losses because you win and lose as a team but I feel that our success is going to hinge on Nic having more good nights than bad.
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Re: Where are all the Pontificators that said

Postby SoCal_Pony » Fri Nov 21, 2014 5:31 pm

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SMU 86 wrote:Maybe because the system takes a while to learn. I think we will be fine when MK returns.


New players/freshman at other schools seem to be able to step right in and have big nights. See Blackmon last night.


Just shows what little you know about BB, PonySnob.

Blackmon is a McD's AA. Now if we ever had a McD's AA, it would be completely....oh, nevermind.
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Re: Where are all the Pontificators that said

Postby SMU1523 » Fri Nov 21, 2014 5:40 pm

ericdickerson4life wrote:This is pretty simple stuff folks. You can't turn the ball over almost 20 times in a game and expect to win. That has little to do with a backup point guard.

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Re: Where are all the Pontificators that said

Postby Balatro Diabolus Ex » Fri Nov 21, 2014 6:11 pm

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SMU 86 wrote:Maybe because the system takes a while to learn. I think we will be fine when MK returns.


New players/freshman at other schools seem to be able to step right in and have big nights. See Blackmon last night.


Just shows what little you know about BB, PonySnob.

Blackmon is a McD's AA. Now if we ever had a McD's AA, it would be completely....oh, nevermind.


This is true, Blackmon was in the top 35 of every recruiting service last year, and some int heir top-20. Its early in the year, but if can put up these numbers in conference play he'll be an early entry NBA pick. I think he'll slow down a bit against better competition, but he has an NBA future, and probably sooner rather than later.
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Re: Where are all the Pontificators that said

Postby OhioBrownFan » Fri Nov 21, 2014 6:16 pm

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SMU 86 wrote:Maybe because the system takes a while to learn. I think we will be fine when MK returns.


New players/freshman at other schools seem to be able to step right in and have big nights. See Blackmon last night.

Blackmon is a 5* that is one of the best scorers I've seen at the high school level. If you look at the Indiana threads from this summer, I said it quite a few times. He was one of the most explosive players I saw on the AAU circuit and last winter. He's not a normal freshman and was under-ranked imo. He might be the best in that class that I saw live at his position.
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Re: Where are all the Pontificators that said

Postby Balatro Diabolus Ex » Fri Nov 21, 2014 6:20 pm

Rebel10 wrote:Where are all the Pontificators that said we would be fine without a backup point guard? Some said the Manuel would be better and the Emelogu and Martin would be able to play the point in an almost arrogant way. Are you still out there?


I dont think I ever said that on the board, but I will admit I thought that Emelogu would be able to take on a good share of the ballhandling, since he had fulfilled that role at Virginia Tech. So far, he hasnt lived up to expectations. Nic seems to have regressed a bit, as well, which has made it more of an an issue.
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Re: Where are all the Pontificators that said

Postby Treadway21 » Fri Nov 21, 2014 7:30 pm

SMU 86 wrote:
Big12Mustang wrote:Oh shut up man...why is everyone here so negative and looking for those "aha! I told you so! This team is junk, SMU sucks! Bla bla" horsecrap?! Do you feel happy when these miserable things happen?

Why would you say the team is junk? But backup point guard is a must. People were saying the Emelogu /Martin were much better than Russell/Williams which may turn out to be true but it is not starting out that way. Maybe because the system takes a while to learn. I think we will be okay when MK returns and make a run for the big dance. :D


We were playing a bunch of lamRs this time last year. It will take tine for those guys to get into the system and they will definitely be better. Have you forgotten how many wanted Williams benched last year when he was throwing 2 points a game.
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Re: Where are all the Pontificators that said

Postby hoopmanx » Sat Nov 22, 2014 10:54 am

Manuel can't shoot a lick, or never tries anyway, but he was good vs Indiana. THe problem w/losing and certain types of fans, is that they try to make each loss fit their predictions, in this case about our roster weaknesses. We get it, Mudiay is preferable to Manuel. Unfortunately, Mudiay plays for Guangdong. Meanwhile, Manuel had a good game vs Indiana and someone is trying to blame back-up PG play as the reason? Move on
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Re: Where are all the Pontificators that said

Postby Rebel10 » Sat Nov 22, 2014 10:59 am

Somehow this thread got twisted into saying that the Indiana game is the reason I am saying this but it is not. Forget about the Indiana game. We still need a backup point guard which some pontificators over the summer were saying would not be needed.
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Re: Where are all the Pontificators that said

Postby hoopmanx » Sat Nov 22, 2014 11:16 am

Rebel10 wrote:Somehow this thread got twisted into saying that the Indiana game is the reason I am saying this but it is not. Forget about the Indiana game. We still need a backup point guard which some pontificators over the summer were saying would not be needed.


My man, we need some team chemistry, our best player not to stink, some notion of perimeter D, and 2 shooters, before back-up PG enters the discussion
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Re: Where are all the Pontificators that said

Postby Rebel10 » Sat Nov 22, 2014 11:18 am

hoopmanx wrote:
Rebel10 wrote:Somehow this thread got twisted into saying that the Indiana game is the reason I am saying this but it is not. Forget about the Indiana game. We still need a backup point guard which some pontificators over the summer were saying would not be needed.


My man, we need some team chemistry, our best player not to stink, some notion of perimeter D, and 2 shooters, before back-up PG enters the discussion

All that is needed but some that all those things were here with the transfers and improvement over the summer by returning players. We heard that Ben E. was a good shooter and that he was viewed as a better player than McQuaid by many recruiters. We also heard that Manuel would improved his overall game during the summer and he is about the same.
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