Not Good for SMU

[ojaipony]

[deleted] the frogs. And the whack offs.

[Mountain Mustang]

The heat's on the Big 12 at this point. That jackhole commissioner got into it with Briles, and Briles is right. The guy actually said at media day "one true champion" and then says later on that he misspoke. How stupid does that look? Gotta think they're looking to remedy this situation immediately, and the best way they can ensure this doesn't happen again is to add teams and have a conference championship. They can't control whether the playoff goes to 8 or not, but they can control their ability to have a championship game. I would bet they lobby for the ability to have a playoff with less than 10 and then look to expand when that's denied.

That being said, I would like to think SMU has a better position than most other options. We've shown a commitment to athletics in football and basketball in recent years with facility upgrades, coaching hires/salaries, and recent success on the field and the court. It's impossible to think that basketball isn't on the upswing, and we could compete immediately in the B12. Obviously a 1-11 season in football isn't impressing anyone, but over the last 5-6 years, we have made bowls and competed for a conference championship. We are in Dallas, and are a geographic/historical opponent or rival for a lot of the conference. It's a major media market and a great recruiting opportunity. Also, I hate to say it but wouldn't you think the rest of these schools would rather add a team(s) that wouldn't come in and immediately challenge for the conference crown? If I'm the other schools I'm saying the following:
Who can get us to 12, is located in a great market that makes sense geographically, and that won't pull a Mizzou on us and go straight to the conference championship game the first couple of years in? Isn't that logical?

Some rose colored thoughts I know, but what part of it doesn't make sense? I guess I just want to see us back in that mix like I'm sure everyone else does.

[coloradoStang]

The heat's on the Big 12 at this point. That jackhole commissioner got into it with Briles, and Briles is right. The guy actually said at media day "one true champion" and then says later on that he misspoke. How stupid does that look? Gotta think they're looking to remedy this situation immediately, and the best way they can ensure this doesn't happen again is to add teams and have a conference championship. They can't control whether the playoff goes to 8 or not, but they can control their ability to have a championship game. I would bet they lobby for the ability to have a playoff with less than 10 and then look to expand when that's denied.

That being said, I would like to think SMU has a better position than most other options. We've shown a commitment to athletics in football and basketball in recent years with facility upgrades, coaching hires/salaries, and recent success on the field and the court. It's impossible to think that basketball isn't on the upswing, and we could compete immediately in the B12. Obviously a 1-11 season in football isn't impressing anyone, but over the last 5-6 years, we have made bowls and competed for a conference championship. We are in Dallas, and are a geographic/historical opponent or rival for a lot of the conference. It's a major media market and a great recruiting opportunity. Also, I hate to say it but wouldn't you think the rest of these schools would rather add a team(s) that wouldn't come in and immediately challenge for the conference crown? If I'm the other schools I'm saying the following:
Who can get us to 12, is located in a great market that makes sense geographically, and that won't pull a Mizzou on us and go straight to the conference championship game the first couple of years in? Isn't that logical?

Some rose colored thoughts I know, but what part of it doesn't make sense? I guess I just want to see us back in that mix like I'm sure everyone else does.

agree especially if we make a deal to take a reduced pay out. Everything you said plus they don't lose any significant amount of money to sharing like they would by bringing basically anyone else in.

[StallionsModelT]

If it were even a remote possibility I would say that we would not only forfeit any and all conference TV revenue but would pay $10/M year for our first five years.

Pull out all the stops. Do whatever they want if it means we have a shot.

[ReedFrawg]

I disagree. If Baylor and TCU were OU or UT, one of them would be in right now.[/quote]

I agree with this 100%...and to me its the most frustrating part of the whole thing.

And it is a 4 year scaled revenue sharing. I believe we get a full share starting next year. Something like 50%, 65%, 80% and 100%.

[Stallion]

nothing unusual about TCU reduced share-its payment for expansion fee

[93Mustang]

Funniest part of this whole scenario is that TCU and Baylor are only in the P-5 because UT and OU needed some pastsies to fill out their league. Both private schools should be commended for turning that strategy on its head. However, they share in the greedy decision to keep the league at less than 12, and no championship game, for their current predicament. As I have said before, had Baylor beaten KSU 59-0 at home yesterday (or not lost to mediocre WVA) they'd be in the playoff. Likewise, had TCU not blown a 21 point 4th quarter lead against Baylor, they'd be there. Both had the opportunity and blew it. Sorry if I won't shed a tear for either. Wish we had that opportunity every year. We don't currently, and probably won't ever. Sucks for us, but at the moment, I'd rather be them.

[JasonB]

nothing unusual about TCU reduced share-its payment for expansion fee

I believe there is also something in the league contract that the equal revenue share for the schools is only in place for a certain number of years. After that point, they will most likely move back to a tier system with OU and UT eating a large percentage of the cash.

[JasonB]

Also, I think SMU is in a better spot now than before. I think there are two options now:

1) They don't expand to 8 team playoff. In this scenario, UT will want a conference champ game, so they will expand. But they will pull from the ACC, NOT the AAC. Then we go to your P-4 scenario, and we are screwed.

2) They expand the playoffs to 8 teams. No motivation for big 12 to expand. P-5 get an auto berth, 4 at large, and the independents, MWC, and AAC become a little more relevant.

The improvement of the ACC this season and FSU winning the nat. champ. last season makes scenario 2 more likely at this juncture.

[floridianstang]

The fact that we are in Dallas means there will never be a shortage of P5 schools who we can schedule, the recruiting appeal is simply too great. Having said that, I would hope we can retain TCU and alternate between Baylor, Tech, Ok St for attendance reasons.

This all gets (better) solved by having an 8 team format where conference champs receive an auto bid. Question becomes do 16 team conferences complain about 10 or 12 team conferences.

Almost seems like a 4 conference / 16 teams per makes the most sense, which is bad news for us. A 5 conference / 16 teams per works for us.

Baylor and Tech have agreed to an extension to continue their game at Jerryworld. Since both those teams are also in Ft Worth every other year I think they will not not have as much incentive to want to play us. I'm guessing unless SMU improves Baylor and Tech may feel they have nothing to gain by playing SMU in the future.
Okie Light, would be a good option though. Maybe Arkansas when they go to a home and home schedule with A&M.

- TCU will not stop playing us.
- Arkansas has a home and home with TCU already.
- Tech and Baylor will keep playing us and would be open to scheduling SMU especially since our program will be solid in a few years. The only real problem for them moving forward is the FCS teams in their schedule.
- Okie State would play us. But I think SMU should go schedule non Big 12 teams-go play Big Ten/ACC schools.

[EastStang]

Who would have known that beating OU and UT would lower your RPI. As for us, when these games were scheduled, we had gone bowling, we were consistently in the hunt for the CUSA west title. Who would have known that JJ would have let us go to seed? If this was the team from two years ago, Baylor would be in the final four (maybe). So, instead of carping about scheduling SMU, carp instead about the coach who let our program go so far into the dumpster that we lost to North Texas by 70 points.

[gostangs]

One of the things we can do to make ourselves more attractive to both non Big 12 and Big 12 teams is to play ACC and Big ten teams in home and home series right in our stadium. Show those conferences how fun it is to play in Dallas - and show the big 12 that there is a downside to not choosing us. We will be throwing a party for other conferences on their front doorstep several times a year.

We are too nice to them. Instead of letting them borrow our city, we should bring in the competition.

There are a TON of transplanted Midwesterners in the area. You would have more Michigan/Wisconsin etc fans here then we get from Tulane anyway - so might was well get them in here. In two years we should be able to hang with their lower half.

[ericdickerson4life]

One of the things we can do to make ourselves more attractive to both non Big 12 and Big 12 teams is to play ACC and Big ten teams in home and home series right in our stadium. Show those conferences how fun it is to play in Dallas - and show the big 12 that there is a downside to not choosing us. We will be throwing a party for other conferences on their front doorstep several times a year.

We are too nice to them. Instead of letting them borrow our city, we should bring in the competition.

There are a TON of transplanted Midwesterners in the area. You would have more Michigan/Wisconsin etc fans here then we get from Tulane anyway - so might was well get them in here. In two years we should be able to hang with their lower half.

Ding. Ding. Ding. Our real competition is Jerry's World and the fact that the other conference can use it to play games and recruit in the area. Need to figure out how to neutralize that threat, if at all possible. Or use the advantage of teams wanting to play in the area to our advantage, i.e. bring in other conference opponents (outside of the B12) that want to play in the area.

[ghost]

Football rankings and now this playoff system is just pointing out the problem. There should not be a championship game or 4 team playoff but because of the money they are doing it.

[BRStang]

One of the things we can do to make ourselves more attractive to both non Big 12 and Big 12 teams is to play ACC and Big ten teams in home and home series right in our stadium. Show those conferences how fun it is to play in Dallas - and show the big 12 that there is a downside to not choosing us. We will be throwing a party for other conferences on their front doorstep several times a year.

We are too nice to them. Instead of letting them borrow our city, we should bring in the competition.

There are a TON of transplanted Midwesterners in the area. You would have more Michigan/Wisconsin etc fans here then we get from Tulane anyway - so might was well get them in here. In two years we should be able to hang with their lower half.

Yes, I like this idea.

Perhaps we should start with the likes of Purdue and Northwestern first, or maybe Indiana. (By the way, I remember getting killed by Wisconsin, with their cheese head wearing fans, at Ownby when I was at SMU in the early 90s. ETA: Actually, the score wasn't as bad as I remember the game being.)