Does SMU Outplay it's Recruiting?

[RednBlue11]

yes...yes, we do actually....as hard as that is to believe.

http://regressing.deadspin.com/chart-wh ... 1640831522

[RednBlue11]

Where we need to go ASAP.

[Stallion]

yes but we moved substantially south and back to the norm this year-plus what bothers me about this type of graph is that you got to understand there is about a 3-4 year lag between recruiting and on field performance. Its interesting though with that caveat

[RednBlue11]

if Chad is worth a dam you'll see the results improve dramatically halfway through year 2...above w/e you see him bring to the table in coaching

[Grant Carter]

yes but we moved substantially south and back to the norm this year-plus what bothers me about this type of graph is that you got to understand there is about a 3-4 year lag between recruiting and on field performance. Its interesting though with that caveat

If I understand correctly, for each year they compared the average of the previous 5 years of recruiting with that year's on field performance so I think they addressed your issue about the lag fairly well.


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[DanFreibergerForHeisman]

Certainly arbitrary to some degree, but interesting nonetheless.

[Stallion]

yes but we moved substantially south and back to the norm this year-plus what bothers me about this type of graph is that you got to understand there is about a 3-4 year lag between recruiting and on field performance. Its interesting though with that caveat

If I understand correctly, for each year they compared the average of the previous 5 years of recruiting with that year's on field performance so I think they addressed your issue about the lag fairly well.


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No it really doesn't. You could a have a drastic infusion or exodus of players or a change in coaching staff that would really throw that off. Plus 5 years indicates a redshirt and remaining on campus. Consider the SEC where each year the First Team All Conference on Offense and Defense enters NFL Undergraduate Draft. Does Alabama even bother playing Seniors-just kidding but its has its imperfections.

[couch 'em]

Still shows that the line of best aligns closely to the talent/performance line. Once again this shows that recruiting matters and June diamond in rough recruiting is garbage. PONYBOY.

[Stallion]

Right there are no recruiting powerhouses at the bottom of the graph and almost all schools at top of the graph are perennial recruiting powerhouse. Another problem with this graph is the competition in the SEC West is not comparable to the Sun Belt. Recruiting is comparable to your competition. See Arkansas this year. Double digit SEC West losing streak against team that mostly have wiped the floor with Arkansas in recruiting despite the fact that they would wipe the floor with the champions of just about all G5 conferences

[Digetydog]

Where we need to go ASAP.

Great Find.

[CalallenStang]

Right there are no recruiting powerhouses at the bottom of the graph and almost all schools at top of the graph are perennial recruiting powerhouse. Another problem with this graph is the competition in the SEC West is not comparable to the Sun Belt. Recruiting is comparable to your competition. See Arkansas this year. Double digit SEC West losing streak against team that mostly have wiped the floor with Arkansas in recruiting despite the fact that they would wipe the floor with the champions of just about all G5 conferences

Hence why recruiting rank is on one axis and team rank is on the other axis

[ponyboy]

Still shows that the line of best aligns closely to the talent/performance line. Once again this shows that recruiting matters and June diamond in rough recruiting is garbage. PONYBOY.

You apparently desperately need a straw man because you've now mentioned my name a very odd number of times. I've never defended JJ's recruiting methods. I've defended his results on the field.

Having the most talented players is important. There ARE legitimate arguments out there as to just HOW important this one side of the coin is, though. The other side of the coin is coaching, scheme, culture. Some guys can just do more with less, or in JJ's case with weird. TCU's been the perfect example of this. They're not recruiting anywhere near the level they play.

Anyway, if hate makes you feel better, then hate. But let me know when you want an actual conversation.

Oh, and for the record, I think Chad Morris is absolutely going to kill it at SMU. Couldn't be more happy that he his here.

[Rebel10]

Certainly arbitrary to some degree, but interesting nonetheless.

Very arbitrary.

[Rebel10]

if Chad is worth a dam you'll see the results improve dramatically halfway through year 2...above w/e you see him bring to the table in coaching

Wrong, it will tale 3 recruiting classes to get on track Corso.

[Rebel10]

yes...yes, we do actually....as hard as that is to believe.

http://regressing.deadspin.com/chart-wh ... 1640831522

No we really don't as seen by this year. That chart was looking a stars and not offers. I know you were a June supporter so I see why you would post this. If they took a look at offer it would have aligned differently. It will take Morris 3 or 4 recruiting classes. People that were not drinking the June kool-aid could see what happened this year coming a mile away.