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Re: Project Your 2015 Starters

Postby WordUpBU » Wed Jan 07, 2015 2:35 pm

Stallion wrote:We don't really have OLB in the new defense. If we can find a better fit at ILB I'd at least like to try Yenga at the Hybrid Safety position in spring football. Admittedly, that may not be possible because he'd probably have to slim down and we don't have many quality ILB. But I just don't think Yenga is a tough nosed run stopper or hole filler like you need at ILB. See the great TCU ILB.


TCU's LB guys tend to be 6'0 227 mold. Pretty identical to the BUCK and MIKE spots on Mason's scheme honestly. I think Yenga would be fine at either but the weak side LB of the two is probably a better fit due to speed & greater coverage needs.
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Re: Project Your 2015 Starters

Postby Stallion » Wed Jan 07, 2015 2:38 pm

I looked this up last week I think it was 6-2, 230 and 6-1, 228. That's pretty typical for TCU. But they've all been tough, physical run stoppers. Yenga is not that mold

Here's the TCU Depth Chart to get a general idea of the size of the players on a 4-2-5 Defense
https://tcu.rivals.com/cdepthtext.asp
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Re: Project Your 2015 Starters

Postby StallionsModelT » Wed Jan 07, 2015 2:51 pm

What about Rhone and Ngola? Both fit the ILB mold. Rhone was actually OK on defense last year as a true freshman.
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Re: Project Your 2015 Starters

Postby WordUpBU » Wed Jan 07, 2015 2:54 pm

Morris usually has smaller backs at tailback so Line/Gresham is probably a backup unless he shows he can get outside. He might be an option at H Back though. KC & Durall probably match the typical mold for his RB more naturally as I think they are a tad faster.

H Back is probably going to be Gaines and one of the two inside runners from the current roster and maybe some incoming recruits.

SMU has tons of small slot guys so the question to me is which guys make sense at the Wide Receiver spots as the slots are more than covered.
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Re: Project Your 2015 Starters

Postby WordUpBU » Wed Jan 07, 2015 3:11 pm

Stallion wrote:I looked this up last week I think it was 6-2, 230 and 6-1, 228. That's pretty typical for TCU. But they've all been tough, physical run stoppers. Yenga is not that mold

Here's the TCU Depth Chart to get a general idea of the size of the players on a 4-2-5 Defense
https://tcu.rivals.com/cdepthtext.asp


Most of the Big 12 plays a 3-3-5 or 4-2-5 when they go nickel even if they base out of something else.

4-2-5 typically breaks down like this as far as personnel molds:

NT- Big physical DT who must be stout against the run as he's in the A gap all game. Pass rush and lateral quickness is nice of the run support is there.

DT- Can be another 300 pound guy but much like a 4-3 you can get away with someone in the 260-285 range if they are quick enough. Typically a B gap player so a little less bulk is required compared to the NT. In both late 2010 and in 2002 TCU moved a converted DE who was a little light for the position into this 3 Technique spot. BU did it as well in late 2012. UT did it in 2010 with Okafor. I can easily see the DE in Mason's scheme fit here. Margus would be a terror at this spot and Wood+10 pounds probably fits decent.

DE- Typically edge guys. Can be as light as 225 but usually run 230-250 range. Primary pass rush guys must be able to move well. I could see any of the 225+ Mason OLB's working here. Stephon Sanders is almost perfect here as is Ja'Gared.

LB- Both must be solid against the run and ability to run fast is the next most important criteria. Typically 230+ but can be smaller if quick. Basically the same position as the Mike and Buck in Mason's D.

LB/Safety Hybrid- This is the SS position in TCU's scheme. This is basically a glorified Nickelback. He's part SAM linebacker, part corner. I've seen them as big as 220 and as small as 180. Gotta be good against the run but quick enough to give flexibility in coverage. Usually the 7th guy against the run.

Weak Safety- Deep safety on opposite side of the formation from Hybrid guy. When a 4-2-5 defense drops an extra guy for an 8 man front it's this guy. Needs to be able to cover solo but run responsibility is also a key.

FS- This is the safety least likely to roll down against the run. Coverage is the bigger concern here.

Corner- Same as any defense but m2m skills are definitely a plus in a scheme that asks a lot from their guys in coverage to allow extra bodies in run d.
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Re: Project Your 2015 Starters

Postby Stallion » Wed Jan 07, 2015 3:13 pm

figure out which guys can play CB and move them. That would be Lancaster and Halverson for sure who both excelled at CB in high school. Way too many of those guys-and they don't fit what Morris would use at Flanker anyway.
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Re: Project Your 2015 Starters

Postby smucali » Wed Jan 07, 2015 4:06 pm

Stallion wrote:Good thing about the spread is that you can modify it so that it is more run (Boyd) or pass oriented(G.J. Kinne)-but its best with a dual threat QB


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would allow HCCM to make a splash and flex offensively out of the gate
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Re: Project Your 2015 Starters

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Re: Project Your 2015 Starters

Postby footballdad » Wed Jan 07, 2015 4:16 pm

smucali wrote:
Stallion wrote:Good thing about the spread is that you can modify it so that it is more run (Boyd) or pass oriented(G.J. Kinne)-but its best with a dual threat QB


EVERETT GOLSON please.

great plug n play option.

would allow HCCM to make a splash and flex offensively out of the gate


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Re: Project Your 2015 Starters

Postby Digetydog » Wed Jan 07, 2015 4:21 pm

smucali wrote:
Stallion wrote:Good thing about the spread is that you can modify it so that it is more run (Boyd) or pass oriented(G.J. Kinne)-but its best with a dual threat QB


EVERETT GOLSON please.

great plug n play option.

would allow HCCM to make a splash and flex offensively out of the gate


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Re: Project Your 2015 Starters

Postby vielsiehorsepower » Wed Jan 07, 2015 5:56 pm

Offense


QB - Davis/HIcks
RB - Nlemchi/Gresham
WR - Joseph, Sutton, Proche,
TE - Gaines
OL - Weeks, Brown, Lasecki, McCarty, Briggs


Either a 2 qb system or one will make a case to start about 4 games in. Gresham will be the power back mainly in short yardage and goal line and Nlemchi will be the speedier 1st down player
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Re: Project Your 2015 Starters

Postby gostangs » Wed Jan 07, 2015 9:45 pm

you might actually see Barns rotating in at the interior OL slots some. I believe it was ECU he came in to relieve due to injury and i think did pretty well. Seems small but has very good technique.
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Re: Project Your 2015 Starters

Postby JasonB » Thu Jan 08, 2015 12:36 am

gostangs wrote:you might actually see Barns rotating in at the interior OL slots some. I believe it was ECU he came in to relieve due to injury and i think did pretty well. Seems small but has very good technique.


Barns is small, he is a good center in the run and shoot because of mobility. Hyder and Myers are guys to look for inside.
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Re: Project Your 2015 Starters

Postby StallionsModelT » Thu Jan 08, 2015 10:08 am

Barns is one of our few OL that actually had a P5 offer (Iowa State). He's almost 290. That's big enough for a center at the D1A level. I bet he's our starting center in '16 after Lasecki graduates.
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Re: Project Your 2015 Starters

Postby JasonB » Thu Jan 08, 2015 10:49 am

StallionsModelT wrote:Barns is one of our few OL that actually had a P5 offer (Iowa State). He's almost 290. That's big enough for a center at the D1A level. I bet he's our starting center in '16 after Lasecki graduates.


I know that going into last year, the weight he had put on wasn't considered to be "good weight". Of course, a quality strength and conditioning coach could probably change that :).
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