Terry Webster wrote:For all those who doubt the call...here is the actual rule... N.F.L. Rule 8, Section 1, Article 3, Item 1: Going to the ground. If a player goes to the ground in the act of catching a pass (with or without contact by an opponent), he must maintain control of the ball after he touches the ground, whether in the field of play or the end zone. If he loses control of the ball, and the ball touches the ground before he regains control, the pass is incomplete. If he regains control prior to the ball touching the ground, the pass is complete.
Read the rule. No where does it mention a football move. It is a separate rule for going to the ground. Has nothing to do with a football move. Had he had both feet on the ground when he caught the ball then the football move would have been in effect. You cannot just say that individual rules are intertwined.
And I am a Cowboy fan and I think the rule stinks.
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mrydel wrote:The rule does not mention football move. It says if you catch the ball and are going to the ground you must maintain possession until you are to the ground. When he hit he lost possession. You guys are confusing rules. The football move rule is not the going to the ground move.
If that is he case, then why were pereira etc discussing whether his arm extension was enough to qualify as a football move? If football move has nothing to do with it then why was that a topic of discussion amongst he professionals?
Also, given that it was called a catch on the field, which frame of which angle shows conclusive visual evidence that the ball hit the ground since that is what is required to overturn a call made on the field? I have seen shots that make you think it might have hit the field, but nothing where you can actually see it.
mrydel wrote:The rule does not mention football move. It says if you catch the ball and are going to the ground you must maintain possession until you are to the ground. When he hit he lost possession. You guys are confusing rules. The football move rule is not the going to the ground move.
If that is he case, then why were pereira etc discussing whether his arm extension was enough to qualify as a football move? If football move has nothing to do with it then why was that a topic of discussion amongst he professionals?
Also, given that it was called a catch on the field, which frame of which angle shows conclusive visual evidence that the ball hit the ground since that is what is required to overturn a call made on the field? I have seen shots that make you think it might have hit the field, but nothing where you can actually see it.
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I heard the official in the booth say that it was incomplete. Maybe I get a different guy in Arkansas. I also clearly saw the ball hit the ground. Did you not watch the replay?
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Did you see the ball hit the ground or did it look like it hit the ground but his arm was in the way and you could not see it. What about the first part of my post?
Grant Carter wrote:Did you see the ball hit the ground or did it look like it hit the ground but his arm was in the way and you could not see it. What about the first part of my post?
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I addressed the first part of your post. I heard the official, I guess Perria or whatever his name is, say it was incomplete, And I discussed mold on pumpkin pie tonight but that does not make a difference in what the rule says either. All I am doing is reading the rule. It is there in black and white and I do not see any other way to interpret it. I saw the ball hit clearly the ground. When they over turn the call and let the Cowboys have the game I will be happy.
The rule needs to be changed. I would have been elated for the Cowboys to win but I hear enough blame the refs in Arkansas to not want to be a part of it.
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Grant Carter wrote:Did you see the ball hit the ground or did it look like it hit the ground but his arm was in the way and you could not see it. What about the first part of my post?
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I addressed the first part of your post. I heard the official, I guess Perria or whatever his name is, say it was incomplete, And I discussed mold on pumpkin pie tonight but that does not make a difference in what the rule says either. All I am doing is reading the rule. It is there in black and white and I do not see any other way to interpret it. I saw the ball hit clearly the ground. When they over turn the call and let the Cowboys have the game I will be happy.
The rule needs to be changed. I would have been elated for the Cowboys to win but I hear enough blame the refs in Arkansas to not want to be a part of it.
I guess my point is that it was called a catch on the field which requires a higher standard of evidence to overturn. I not sure what could qualify as indisputable visual evidence that his reaching out with the ball was not a football move as I have not seen a definition of a football move.
If you missed the part where pereira was talking about whether the arm extension was enough to qualify as a football move then that might explain your confusion about whether that matters.
Grant Carter wrote:Did you see the ball hit the ground or did it look like it hit the ground but his arm was in the way and you could not see it. What about the first part of my post?
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When they over turn the call and let the Cowboys have the game I will be happy.
The only thing that gets missed here is that the Dez touchdown wouldn't have won the game. If we got the touchdown we would have been up by one. A two point conversion would have made it a three point lead.
The Packers subsequently marched down the field on the next drive and would have had a pretty sure field goal to even it up at worst, but possibly win it (if the Cowboys didn't get the two point conversion). Of course it was also very possible that the Packers could have scored a TD, putting the game away.
I think the Detroit call was overblown last week because it far from cinched a win. I feel the same about the Dez call with my cowboys this week. We didn't play well enough to win.
footballdad wrote:Falling is not running, diving, or lunging.
Yes, but turning is a football move and transferring the ball from 2 hands to 1 and extending is control of the ball
Do we need to discuss the ridiculous GB catch that hits the ground first that wasn't overturned? Horrible game.
I, for one, would definitely like to discuss this! Much clearer than the Dez catch and not overturned! This game made me question instant replay for the first time. As to the Dez catch, it seems like they reviewed a judgement and not a fact. Totally disagree with reviewing the judgement of the on field refs.
