dear god that call

[Grant Carter]

You are reading the incomplete/complete rule. Read the going to the ground rule. Again I am done.

No, I am posting the quote from Blandino I am not looking at the rule.

http://www.ponyfans.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=76388&start=105#p1093736

[smusportspage]

As someone alot smarter than I, Potter Stewart, once said, "I know it when I see it". Also, when it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, looks like a duck...it's a duck. That was a catch!

[PonyKris89]

Red, where do you get this stuff? Don't read what people speculate, read the facts. It had nothing to do with stretching the ball. He went to the air. If you do so you have to complete the reception to the ground without the ball hitting the ground and moving. When he came down, regardless of steps, stretch, twists, turns, he had to go to the ground. When he did, the ball hit the ground and moved. Rule says incomplete pass. Rule sucks. Rule needs to be changed. But the interpretation of the rule was correct.

Mrydel, where do you get this stuff? Stretching the ball was absolutely relevant and Red is right that the NFL has said that he just did not stretch it enough:

NFL Network's Rich Eisen then asked Blandino if he and officials considered Bryant's lunge for the end zone to be a "football move."
"Yeah, absolutely," Blandino said. "We looked at that aspect of it and in order for it to be a football move, it’s got to be more obvious than that, reaching the ball out with both hands, extending it for the goal line. This is all part of in our view, all part of his momentum in going to the ground and he lost the ball when he hit the ground. That in our view made it incomplete and we feel like it’s a consistent application of the rule as it has been written over the last couple of years."

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/smackblog/chi-jermaine-gresham-dez-bryant-catch-20150112-story.html

Right from the horses mouth, he indicates that it is not conclusive, it is debatable... Therefore he should not have overruled the field official.

I knew I had heard this, Thanks Grant for posting this.

[SoCal_Pony]

As someone alot smarter than I, Potter Stewart, once said, "I know it when I see it". Also, when it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, looks like a duck...it's a duck. That was a catch!

Exactly, you have Fox's premier broadcast team, what...combined 25+ years of calling games as well as a lifetime of watching/playing; you have these broadcasters, who could hardly be called Cowboy 'homers', gushing over Dez's catch, calling it Brilliant and Wow among other superlatives. They witness the catch live, then show 3 slow-motion replays.

At no point do they question the validity of the catch, only superlatives.

There is something fundamentally wrong when a review booth overrules the field officials based on conclusive proof. And that IMO, includes the ball hitting the ground. I see Dez's elbow hit the ground, have yet to see the angle where the ball conclusively does.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=j2Zf0_zhxj8

[mrydel]

I am still staying out of this but since SoCal is a good poster I do want to say I saw the ball hit the ground and move and immediately remarked that the pass completion might be overturned.

Please know that I think the rule is stupid and needs to be changed. I think they should not have overruled it. I wish Dallas had won. But I still say in reading the rule as it is written and seeing again the original Calvin Johnson incident that caused all of this, I have to understand the call.

[Grant Carter]

Are you going to admit that you were wrong about the stretching motion being relevant since the head of officiating said it was? Or does this third time of saying you are staying out of it really count?


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[redpony]

ok Grant- leave poor mrydel alone. he is a good guy, a great poster and a fantastic alum. We all know that sometimes we are wrong and don't want to admit it. There are two different rules and they in many ways conflict with each other.

[SoCal_Pony]

I am still staying out of this but since SoCal is a good poster I do want to say I saw the ball hit the ground and move and immediately remarked that the pass completion might be overturned.

Well, you are better than Aikman or Buck, I'll give you that.

[Puckhead48E]

Red, where do you get this stuff? Don't read what people speculate, read the facts. It had nothing to do with stretching the ball. He went to the air. If you do so you have to complete the reception to the ground without the ball hitting the ground and moving. When he came down, regardless of steps, stretch, twists, turns, he had to go to the ground. When he did, the ball hit the ground and moved. Rule says incomplete pass. Rule sucks. Rule needs to be changed. But the interpretation of the rule was correct.

Mrydel, where do you get this stuff? Stretching the ball was absolutely relevant and Red is right that the NFL has said that he just did not stretch it enough:

NFL Network's Rich Eisen then asked Blandino if he and officials considered Bryant's lunge for the end zone to be a "football move."
"Yeah, absolutely," Blandino said. "We looked at that aspect of it and in order for it to be a football move, it’s got to be more obvious than that, reaching the ball out with both hands, extending it for the goal line. This is all part of in our view, all part of his momentum in going to the ground and he lost the ball when he hit the ground. That in our view made it incomplete and we feel like it’s a consistent application of the rule as it has been written over the last couple of years."

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/smackblog/chi-jermaine-gresham-dez-bryant-catch-20150112-story.html

Right from the horses mouth, he indicates that it is not conclusive, it is debatable... Therefore he should not have overruled the field official.

I knew I had heard this, Thanks Grant for posting this.

Best part about this is how they miss integral elements of the play. "It's got to be more obvious than that, reaching the ball out with both hands, extending it for the goal line." Except, being sure the emphasize the 2 hand aspect shows they thought he didn't secure and make a separate move, from reception, to shifting the ball, meaning the lunge to the end zone was all part of that initial catching motion and not separate to the catch. Well, except, he caught the ball with 2 hands and then transitioned it to one hand before reaching it forward. If that transition doesn't make it a separate element, then they should just eliminate the football move portion of the rule. I just love how, even when trying to explain themselves, they get a key fact or two about the actual play wrong. The amateur hour that is NFL officiating always proves to be as mind-numbingly entertaining as it is confusing and inconsistent.

[Grant Carter]

ok Grant- leave poor mrydel alone. he is a good guy, a great poster and a fantastic alum. We all know that sometimes we are wrong and don't want to admit it. There are two different rules and they in many ways conflict with each other.

Ok, in honor of the fairly rare event of you and I agreeing on something I will lay off.


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[PonyKris89]

It should be very easy for NFL to revert to the old rule of two feet down, cheap fumbles be damned.

They even have the defenseless receiver rule now, so those big bang hits right at the point of the catch always come at a risk of penalty for the defensive player anyway,
so the receivers will probably not have near as many of those cheap fumbles as under the rules of 5 years ago.

Those hits of the "defenseless receiver" was the main cause of those cheap fumbles.

[redpony]

ok Grant- leave poor mrydel alone. he is a good guy, a great poster and a fantastic alum. We all know that sometimes we are wrong and don't want to admit it. There are two different rules and they in many ways conflict with each other.

Ok, in honor of the fairly rare event of you and I agreeing on something I will lay off.


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Ha, you are a good poster as well. It is just that old farts like me tend to have a fixed and sometimes warped attitude.

[LA_Mustang]

Game irrelevant as Seattle would have crushed either next week.

Interesting.

[Puckhead48E]

Just to add kindling to this fire...watch the Lynch catch to set up the TD. Bobbling the ball when his first foot hits the ground, controls the ball before that 2nd step (1st of 2 required for possession), then marked OB on the next step. Even by the convoluted NFL rules...wasn't a catch.

[footballdad]

Game irrelevant as Seattle would have crushed either next week.

Interesting.

Haha, spoke a little too soon eh? Better just quit while you're behind

The Cowgirl call was correct, just let it go.