Grantland: Could SMU's BB Team Beat SMU's FB Team?

[PonyFan32]

To much respect for HCCM really? The guy has done nothing.. More money to hoops, that;s our niche. Play D and move the ball. SMU football is a farce, even though i like the new head man

I think the poster was saying he had would have too much respect for HCCM to associate last year's team with HCCM or anything that is going to happen going forward because he respects what HCCM has been able to do so far (recruiting/branding/etc) and expects that to translate onto the field in the future.

"The guy has done nothing," while true in some sense, is absolutely trivial. If I showed up on my first day to a new job and my boss called me into his office and reamed me because "you have not done anything", it would be accurate but also absurd. Let's at least wait till the first home game before deciding whether he has done nothing or not. None of the December - August stuff will tell us whether he has done anything or not.

[gostangs]

Football is not permanently a farce any more than basketball was permanently a farce three years ago. Just takes lots of work, experience, smarts, leadership and some bull headedness. Experience by itself doesn't work, as June proved. LB proved that the entire list can turn around just about anything.

[SMU Section F]

To much respect for HCCM really? The guy has done nothing.. More money to hoops, that's our niche. Play D and move the ball. SMU football is a farce, even though i like the new head man

"The guy has done nothing," while true in some sense, is absolutely trivial. If I showed up on my first day to a new job and my boss called me into his office and reamed me because "you have not done anything", it would be accurate but also absurd. Let's at least wait till the first home game before deciding whether he has done nothing or not. None of the December - August stuff will tell us whether he has done anything or not.

But you're also not going to receive the benefit of the doubt on your first day, because you've done nothing to earn it yet. Chad Morris is neutral for now. He shows some promise and drive, but that alone gets us nowhere.

And while I enjoy going to football games and have season tickets, I'd be willing to drop football completely if it meant our basketball program stayed top 25 long-term. I know many will say, "Why not both?", and while I enjoy that optimism, I'd still take that deal any day of the week. I know that's a minority opinion obviously...

[sbsmith]

And while I enjoy going to football games and have season tickets, I'd be willing to drop football completely if it meant our basketball program stayed top 25 long-term. I know many will say, "Why not both?", and while I enjoy that optimism, I'd still take that deal any day of the week. I know that's a minority opinion obviously...

You want to drop football just to stay in the top 25? In this scenario are we frequently winning national championships and producing revenue like the elite basketball schools.

[SMU Section F]

And while I enjoy going to football games and have season tickets, I'd be willing to drop football completely if it meant our basketball program stayed top 25 long-term. I know many will say, "Why not both?", and while I enjoy that optimism, I'd still take that deal any day of the week. I know that's a minority opinion obviously...

You want to drop football just to stay in the top 25? In this scenario are we frequently winning national championships and producing revenue like the elite basketball schools.

Purely hypothetical, but if dropping football meant we had a basketball program on par with a school like Gonzaga I would be more than satisfied. Obviously this is neither a popular opinion, nor a realistic option.

[NY Pony]

And while I enjoy going to football games and have season tickets, I'd be willing to drop football completely if it meant our basketball program stayed top 25 long-term. I know many will say, "Why not both?", and while I enjoy that optimism, I'd still take that deal any day of the week. I know that's a minority opinion obviously...

You want to drop football just to stay in the top 25? In this scenario are we frequently winning national championships and producing revenue like the elite basketball schools.

Purely hypothetical, but if dropping football meant we had a basketball program on par with a school like Gonzaga I would be more than satisfied. Obviously this is neither a popular opinion, nor a realistic option.

I'd be in board with this.

But if we and to keep football we need to keep one idea in mind: We are Duke. We need to embrace their mindset. .

[PonyFan32]

The "too much respect for HCCM" comment wasn't about giving him the benefit of the doubt. It was about not making fun of the football team's ineptitude as a way of praising the basketball team. You can do one without the other. Especially when HCCM had nothing to do with that ineptitude.

[hoopmanx]

I gotcha now. Was thinking you were fanboi'ing a guy w/no results. I like what he's done, just doesn't mean anything to date

[PonyFan32]

I'm just speculating since I wasn't the original poster. I appreciate the general check on irrational exuberance, as many of us are prone to give someone (such as HCCM) more credit than they've necessarily earned. His achievements will always appear outsized because of the way things were when he came in.

[Prideful Pony]

I'm just speculating since I wasn't the original poster. I appreciate the general check on irrational exuberance, as many of us are prone to give someone (such as HCCM) more credit than they've necessarily earned. His achievements will always appear outsized because of the way things were when he came in.

You are entirely too rational. Did you wander in here by mistake? The inmates run the asylum here!

[Bergermeister]

His achievements will always appear outsized because of the way things were when he came in.

That makes it an ideal situation for him. Good move on his part.

[ponyte]

I'm just speculating since I wasn't the original poster. I appreciate the general check on irrational exuberance, as many of us are prone to give someone (such as HCCM) more credit than they've necessarily earned. His achievements will always appear outsized because of the way things were when he came in.

If history has taught us one thing, all glory is fleeting. I remember not long ago we had a savior that came in when we had generations worth of a horrible team and in two years had us in a bowl game. He has since left in disgrace.

[PonyFan32]

I'm just speculating since I wasn't the original poster. I appreciate the general check on irrational exuberance, as many of us are prone to give someone (such as HCCM) more credit than they've necessarily earned. His achievements will always appear outsized because of the way things were when he came in.

You are entirely too rational. Did you wander in here by mistake? The inmates run the asylum here!

Haha yes. Nurse Ratched over here.

[ojaipony]

More than anything, I want sustainability. We don't have to be competing for natties every year, but I want us to be a top 50 or better in bball and fball every year for decades (with more times top 25 than not). Hard to do I know. But others have figured it out. We have the location, resources, history, tradition, facilities, etc, to be more than capable.