How many times can Craig James

[Dukie]

This society is unravelling and quickly. The gay marriage debate is but one highly unfortunate, no tragic, symptom.

You can see the first same-sex married couple in Texas here:

http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/6734340

These women have been together for thirty years and have raised two fine daughters. One of them is facing a recent and very serious cancer diagnosis.

Their marriage is neither unfortunate nor tragic.

[ponyboy]

There is a strong argument to be made that the United States is deeply rooted in an ideal of 'radical' individualism.

I'm with you. But we've taken the individualism inherent in our regime to a level of absurdity.

This essay, by the way, is a good and politically-neutral overview of the subject: http://oll.libertyfund.org/pages/radica ... eric-foner

[whitwiki]

Couch 'em is right. The next phase will be polygamy, or perhaps 100% government subsidized sex changes for "trans" people using our tax dollars. Pretty soon we'll all be living in forced LGBTTQQFAGPBDSM communities: http://www.wesleyan.edu/reslife/housing ... _house.htm

I'd never support government subsidized gender modification surgery (even though it is coming)... that said... why is polygamy among consenting adults illegal? Why shouldn't 2 or 3 consenting adults be able to decide that they want to get married?

In a strictly legal sense, marriage is nothing more than a contract. Yes, it's a more 'touchy' contract than most but the issues wouldn't change just because the number of parties to the contract went from 2 to 3 or 4.

The only arguments against polygamy are religious in nature... and, last time I checked, we lived in a nation that had the concept of religious freedom and freedom of religious exercise - laws against polygamy are, in fact, discriminatory against religions that allow polygamy.

Tax evasion

[whitwiki]

Let me know when you're ready to share any of those intelligent arguments.

Well, as one example one could reasonably argue from design, the teleology of human reproductive organs, the complementarity of man and woman. But really all of this is a result of our historic radical individualism and near-worship of the sole virtue we've been taught for the last fifty-plus years: openness to anything and everything. This society is unravelling and quickly. The gay marriage debate is but one highly unfortunate, no tragic, symptom.

not exactly a hay marriage crusader here but don't you think that's a bit melodramatic? The Roman Empire was full of gay activity and it ruled the western world for 1000 years. Or is it the actual marriage part that is the problem?

What about the fact that men can stimulate their prostate anally? That seems natural.

[East Coast Mustang]

^ Wait, what?

[malonish]

While we are at it, you should have also pointed out Dukie's fallacy of appeal to majority.

The appeal to majority in my opinion was less egregious because this is a democracy and if the majority of people want it then technically the minority can't do anything about it. This could be construed as good or bad. As for the topic, I don't care who marries who.

[malonish]

not exactly a hay marriage crusader here

I'm all for hay marriage. How do you think hay bales are made?

[Puckhead48E]

While we are at it, you should have also pointed out Dukie's fallacy of appeal to majority.

The appeal to majority in my opinion was less egregious because this is a democracy and if the majority of people want it then technically the minority can't do anything about it. This could be construed as good or bad. As for the topic, I don't care who marries who.

Really? I always thought we were a democratic republic, not a strict democracy...but maybe I never received all of those ballots so I can vote on every initiative because they don't have my updated address.

[smupony94]

not exactly a hay marriage crusader here

I'm all for hay marriage. How do you think hay bales are made?

FOR THE LOVE OF GOD do not search hay porn

[malonish]

Really? I always thought we were a democratic republic, not a strict democracy...but maybe I never received all of those ballots so I can vote on every initiative because they don't have my updated address.

Point taken. Then I suppose the majority would vote for the person they'd like to push their ideas. Ideally, if a candidate's ideas are not in line with majority they have less chance to be elected. We're starting to see that with this topic.

[Dukie]

not exactly a hay marriage crusader here

I'm all for hay marriage. How do you think hay bales are made?

FOR THE LOVE OF GOD do not search hay porn

This typo reminds me of one of my favorite Far Side cartoons:

https://ronhardyman.wordpress.com/2011/ ... n-hay-bar/

[malonish]

True love.

[couch 'em]

What about the fact that men can stimulate their prostate anally? That seems natural.

Wow

[peruna81]

True love.

closet Aggies, all of 'em...