Brett Shipp Investigation

[Stallion]

ha got you

but while we are criticizing DISD and whether we should recruit DISD athletes, Brett Shipp has a story comparing per pupil expenditures of local schools and how underprivileged schools are being underfunded by as much as 25-40% less despite federal mandates designed to supplement per pupil expenditures at disadvantages schools. He used an example of two similarly sized schools-(I didn't catch the exact numbers) but

Sunset High School is allocated $1,000 less than Irving High School. Some disadvantaged middle and lower schools even within the DISD are funded more than $2,000 less per pupil

Skyline was another underfunded school gets almost $2,000 less than Townview which received athletic funds despite not having an athletics program

http://www.wfaa.com/story/news/local/in ... /70401540/

[ponyboy]

The whole system needs to be privatized. Government pretty much fails at everything it does.

[blackoutpony]

The whole system needs to be privatized. Government pretty much fails at everything it does.

amen

[well travelled pony]

The whole system needs to be privatized. Government pretty much fails at everything it does.

amen

Really bad idea. Pretty much public education was great until politics, predominantly Republican, decided to underfunded and twist all the logic of public schools.

Stupid, and broad statements such as quoted ought to be left off our fan site

Go Ponies!

[blackoutpony]

The whole system needs to be privatized. Government pretty much fails at everything it does.

amen

Really bad idea. Pretty much public education was great until politics, predominantly Republican, decided to underfunded and twist all the logic of public schools.

Stupid, and broad statements such as quoted ought to be left off our fan site

Go Ponies!

More about that the government pretty much fails at all it does. I don't think anyone can really argue with that.

[SMU Section F]

[SoCal_Pony]

The United States spent more than $11,000 per elementary student in 2010 and more than $12,000 per high school student. When researchers factored in the cost for programs after high school education such as college or vocational training, the United States spent $15,171 on each young person in the system — more than any other nation covered in the report (per cbsnews.com).

Fact is the US spends more on education than any other major industrialized country, so claims of Republican 'defunding' are laughably ridiculous.

And what return are American's getting for their educational dollars????

Quickly answer this question.

What % of DISD students are white?

[ojaipony]

Bottom line: it's not about throwing money at the problem (that won't fix it). The DESIGN of the system needs to change. The educational system is, and has been for about 30 years at least, completely obsolete. It's not about the CONTENT of what you learn (it will all change as soon as you learn it), but understanding the PROCESS by which you learn. Once you know how to direct your own learning, you can learn pretty much anything. The problem, ultimately, is that the school system is driven by bureaucrats who know next to nothing about what learning really is. It's a socialization system and has absolutely nothing to do with learning really.

Ok, getting off soapbox.

(by the way, I've started 3 charter schools and my wife works for an amazing "education" company . . . read some Joseph Chilton Pearce or watch some TED clips from Sir Ken Robinson to open your eyes and learn more if you are so inclined). good stuff here: http://tinyurl.com/puoqnmw

[well travelled pony]

Ojai put it well. Others spew info without the full understanding. The US according to the report cited by CBS also shows that what puts the US in the lead is monies spent on tertiary education. The US lags in spending in elementary and secondary education. It also greatly lags on teacher pay. For some, they are lucky enough to get teachers, such as my wife, who are awesome and dedicated despite being underpaid and unable to move beyond teaching to standardized tests.

Oh, and that same report shows a decrease in expenditure. I know all about this as my wife is a teacher. Been one in three states, Colorado, North Carolina, and California.

Go Ponies!

[PonyKai]

ah, yes the reflexive IT'S ALL THE REPUBLICANS FAULT outburst. Must be like when someone hits their funny bone. Can't help it, just leaps right out before they know what they're saying.

[ponyboy]

Every kid has it in him or her to succeed in school. Education starts and ends with parents. Starts and ends. If it's a family priority, a kid will make it. If not, he or she usually will not.

[H-E-B Mustang]

The whole system needs to be privatized. Government pretty much fails at everything it does.

amen

Really bad idea. Pretty much public education was great until politics, predominantly Republican, decided to underfunded and twist all the logic of public schools.

Stupid, and broad statements such as quoted ought to be left off our fan site

Go Ponies!

Well said.

[Stallion]

except we aren't talking nationally where "12,000 per pupil" is average we are talking about DISD where this report suggests some schools are receiving $2,659 per pupil in regular classroom instruction expenditures. Here's a 2012 state by state ranking-ADJUSTED by regional costs- that ranks Texas 49th in per pupil expenditures

http://www.datacenter.kidscount.org/dat ... /any/11678

[gostangs]

yeah - except what they don't adjust for is teachers unions, which is the major difference in high to low in that list.

[couch 'em]

Every kid has it in him or her to succeed in school. Education starts and ends with parents. Starts and ends. If it's a family priority, a kid will make it. If not, he or she usually will not.

Best K-12 schools in the world are South Korea and Finland. You couldn't get two approaches that are more different. The similarity is high cultural appreciation of education.

All this BS about spending, unions, etc. are secondary