problem with incomming freshman

[smu01]

one of the big problems in many strength and conditioning college programs as well as high school programs is they try to jump ahead in the weight room.....most high schools are not teaching the basic form running to get a kid faster and more agil....when they get to college, most strength coaches do not take the time to teach them form running and the proper ways to use there hips in moving on the field. Because of this most kids in college do not run even close to there potential..instead, most high school coaches push weigth lifting...problem is most high school coaches do not know the first thing about how to train a high school kid in the weight room..therefore, with poor work out plans all these coaches are doing is waisting time with the kids.....i know smu's strength coach.....his problem is not that he is doing the wrong things (which he is) its that he along with many coaches do not know that the first and formost thing you must teach a kid is basic form running....and its hard to teach that if you have never been trainned in it..i use to coach at smu in the weight room along with florida state, and i consult with many colleges throught the country today in speed trainning and proper wt room programs........what are others opinnions on this topic

[friarwolf]

Disclaimer - I work out with him and he has trained my kids - now:

Go see Bob King at the Athletic Development Center on Inwood in Addison. He works with about 10 -15 athletes getting ready for the draft each year and typically reduces 40 times by 1-2 tenths of a second. He has been the Mavericks strength and conditioning coach for 8 years and was with the Cowboys during their Super Bowl years as an assistant strength and conditioning coach. FC Dallas, too. By the way, works with Keylon Kincaid. Anyway, his forte' is teaching proper running techniques as well as proper strength and conditioning. HE is awesome.

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[smu01]

thats the kind of stuff that high school and college kids need to learn first and formost..that is great that that guy is teaching form running..i am currently teaching that to 8th, 9th and 10th grade kids....its hard to find guys that really know what they are talking about....parents for some reason buy into the "golds gym" trainners...and that is the worst thing you can do for a kid!!! so hope your kids are learning from this bob king guy.....tell them to listen to everything and question everything...absorb as much as possible...who knows maybe they will wear the red and blue

[Hoop Fan]

I've heard about this guy King. Does he train out of the Inwood Soccer Center? I've heard good things. What age is ideal to start this?

[smu01]

for speed trainning the earlier the better normaly around the 8th grade depending on the kid......weight trainning should not be implimented until around junior or senior year. The problem with weight trainning is you should not begin it until you are done growing....but you can always go in the weight room and work on form...keep in mind athletes are not body builders..so lifts they need to achive power, quickness and agility are lifts most people do nto know about...they are lifts taken from olympic lifts and altered to fit a specific sport..but if you can start your kid form running properly and teach him the technique...by the time he is a junior in high school it will be second nature.......i watch so many high school and even college athletes run and play on sat and think "if only they knew how to run properly and use there hips they would be so much faster" i work with a number of 8th graders on form running....my best success story is a quaterback that went from a 6.3 forty time and after a few weeks with him...just showing him simple things he ran a 5.3 forty...its amazy what the right type of trainning can do for an individual

[Hoop Fan]

smu01, I take it from your signature that you are in Atlanta, not Dallas. Are you an ex-SMU player?

[smu01]

yes. i played in 1998-2000.......i then went to coach as a strength and conditioning coach at smu and then at florida state..i got out of the college feild to work with younger kids..i learned that there were not many coaches working with younger kids that knew what to teach them in order to be succesfull.....i have been educated by the best in the business and i work along side some of the best......it is hard convincing parents what the right thing to do for there kids are. To become faster and gain skills to have control of your body in order to move and run on a football field does not happen over night.....some of the drills will not even get you tired...but it is all about teaching your body how to move...then once you know the proper way to move you can begin to and speed, quickness and power the right way..but yes i am in atlanta...looking ot move back to dallas in a year but i have a following here in atlanta working with young kids and it is almost impossible to convince parents that joining the adams course or volicety sports is the wrong way to go in working with your kids

[friarwolf]

Yes, Bob King is located in the Inwood Soccer Center. First door on your right. 972-991-2555. His philosophy is to start fairly young - around 12 where he can teach kids the proper footwork and fundamentals in running and he gets them started with proper techniques in weight lifting. He has speed and quickness classes Monday - Thursday at 5 and runs them at 12 during the summer. He is the real deal.

He typically gets around 15 guys that come work with him to prepare for the combine and college day. He's got about 15-20 in the NFL, several major leagers, D.A. and Matt Weibring and Lanny Wadkins - the list goes on. Anyway, great guy and one of the best when it comes to conditioning, rehabbing, getting in shape - young or old, weight training, yada, yada.............................

[friarwolf]

Sorry, first door on your left..............................

[friarwolf]

Last post on this subject. I agree with you about Adams or Velocity. Not good. Lots of injuries, bad mechanics, churn and burn places. A good way to screw your kid up. King does the old "turn the heat up slowly on the frog in the pot" routine. He's more interested in teaching proper mechanics instead of how much you can "max out".

[smu01]

thats awsome...sounds like he is a good guy..however, i tend to shy away from anyone who trains professional athletes....i know many of them and what they dont relize is there is a different philosophy from trainning a professional athelet and a high school or college kid......they tend to have the same trainning method for both and that is wrong..but sounds to me like this guy id doing the rigth thing..so thats great for me to hear!!!

[PhirePhilBennett]

yes. i played in 1998-2000.......i then went to coach as a strength and conditioning coach at smu and then at florida state..i got out of the college feild to work with younger kids..i learned that there were not many coaches working with younger kids that knew what to teach them in order to be succesfull.....i have been educated by the best in the business and i work along side some of the best......it is hard convincing parents what the right thing to do for there kids are. To become faster and gain skills to have control of your body in order to move and run on a football field does not happen over night.....some of the drills will not even get you tired...but it is all about teaching your body how to move...then once you know the proper way to move you can begin to and speed, quickness and power the right way..but yes i am in atlanta...looking ot move back to dallas in a year but i have a following here in atlanta working with young kids and it is almost impossible to convince parents that joining the adams course or volicety sports is the wrong way to go in working with your kids

dude, you need to learnt how to spel

[giacfsp]

.... dude, you need to learnt how to spel

Hey, a lot of us do.
You, on the other hand, need to change your screen name.

[smu01]

hahahahahah...i dont worry about spelling on these things..its the content of the message not the grammer.

[Ponymon]

Thanks for the info! My kid is 12 years old going to Greenhill and is one of the best athletes in his class. My only problem will be convincing him that such a class is worth his Xbox time. Unfortunately, I fear that X-box may win out, but I will try!