Official: SMU vs. TCU Thread

[Charleston Pony]

LOCK ARMS! Yeah!

Now why hasn't one our billionaires spent 170 Million to build us an Indoor Practice Facility???

Its ALL Turner's fault-no commitment

Geez-SMU fans are Minor League

A lot of talk but when it gets right down to it-they really don't care too much about College Football

attendance attendance! rabble rabble rabble!


Yes...I do. Have talked about it for years while all the youngsters on board want to blame everyone but ourselves for having been left out of the P-5 discussion. Granted, we are preaching to the choir on this board as anyone interested enough to come on a fan board probably supports our programs pretty well, but the simple fact is that cable TV changed the world of college athletics and SMU was exposed for what it has been the entire time I've followed the program (early 60's for point of reference), i.e., a small, elite private school with students and alumni with better things to do than rabidly support their school's athletic programs. Long live the 1500!

Does anyone get off on this more than you?

[PerunasHoof]

Don't know why you Feel The need to get mad at Stallion for being right. Our fan base is just lacking in Horse Power right now because of the past few crappy years.

Lulz

Haha, he's stopped posting now...

[StallionsModelT]

We've won one road game of consequence against our old SWC rivals in over 20 years and you expect people to flood over to FW when the point spread is damn near 40 points and we were a 1 win team last year.

[Charleston Pony]

We've won one road game of consequence against our old SWC rivals in over 20 years and you expect people to flood over to FW when the point spread is damn near 40 points and we were a 1 win team last year.

no; we don't expect it nor do we anticipate it happening...maybe EVER. Just pointing out the reason SMU was left behind by the public schools and even by our more determined to succeed peers (meaning Baylor and TCU). It's nobody on this board's fault...but how many good friends and former classmates can we point to as part of the problem?

[Charleston Pony]

We've won one road game of consequence against our old SWC rivals in over 20 years and you expect people to flood over to FW when the point spread is damn near 40 points and we were a 1 win team last year.

let's just call it "spoiled rich kid's syndrome". For too many SMU alumni who actually consider themselves sports fans, they will come out only when SMU is ranked in the top 5 nationally because it might then become "the thing to do". We had better crowds in the Pony Express era, but even then we did not endear ourselves to the casual sports fan in Dallas and would have been challenged to fill a venue like Ford Stadium with our own fans. Again...that's that "elite" school thing working against SMU

[NewAgeMustange]

this will be the first year I miss the game since being in school/ graduating, even if they are favored to win I'm hoping for a 2011? upset

[StallionsModelT]

We've won one road game of consequence against our old SWC rivals in over 20 years and you expect people to flood over to FW when the point spread is damn near 40 points and we were a 1 win team last year.

no; we don't expect it nor do we anticipate it happening...maybe EVER. Just pointing out the reason SMU was left behind by the public schools and even by our more determined to succeed peers (meaning Baylor and TCU). It's nobody on this board's fault...but how many good friends and former classmates can we point to as part of the problem?

Baylor had to tarp 30% of their stadium in Big 12 play as recently as the RG3 era and look what happened. Check out those TCU crowds before LaDanian Tomlinson. This past week against Rice Texas drew less than 70K (announced 82K but most actual estimates are at 65-70). They have 8,000 unsold tickets for the Texas-OU game.

Since the Death Penalty we have ZERO weeks in the Top 25. Zero conference titles. One win against a Top 25 opponent on the road. One win against a Top 25 team at home. Zero first round draft picks. We have a winless season and three one win seasons. We went five years between conference road wins in WAC/CUSA.

This program has been as bad or worse than any in America for the past 30 years. It is going to take a transcendent type season/player/coach for us to to elevate our program where we can travel well. I truly believe Chad Morris is the coach that can get us where we want to go and plays an exciting brand of football. Just like basketball has done now that it is relevant lets see if it translates to better attendance.

[RGV Pony]

LOCK ARMS! Yeah!

Now why hasn't one our billionaires spent 170 Million to build us an Indoor Practice Facility???

Its ALL Turner's fault-no commitment

Geez-SMU fans are Minor League

A lot of talk but when it gets right down to it-they really don't care too much about College Football

Don't think I saw you at Washington State, Navy, or Orlando over the past several years. Glass houses. I've been to all of the above. How about you?

I saw Stallion in Orlando

[Pony Boss]

Don't know why you Feel The need to get mad at Stallion for being right. Our fan base is just lacking in Horse Power right now because of the past few crappy years.

Lulz

Haha, he's stopped posting now...

bop is bored today lol

[StallionsModelT]

Cool. I'll give you Orlando.

Over the last ten years I've been to road games at Washington State, Navy, Tulsa, Tulane, TCU, A&M, Baylor, Tech, Houston, Rice, UCF, NTSU, and ECU. I can count on one hand how many of those games we have won.

Point being, I understand why some folks might not go to this game. We are coming off being the worst team in America playing at a team that is a national title contender with a 40 point spread. This program has rewarded its fans less than just about every college program in the nation over the years and you expect a huge turnout at TCU? Coach Morris is building this thing but it won't be built overnight.

[Pony Boss]

Agree with SMT.

[Stallion]

Picture of SMU crowd at North Texas Game 2 coming off 5-6 record and previously 4 straight bowls in 2014 in comparison to NTSU coming off 4-7 in 2015. (See Picture 16 out of 24). NTSU had 10 times more fans at a minimum in Ford than we had in Denton a 30 minutes drive from North Dallas. There are plenty of more mature programs much better than NTSU that WILL take any remaining seats in the P5 conferences. There are no exceptions out there for private schools with rich kids whose daddy can buy a P5 Conference membership. The only school to make the private school jump is TCU which overachieved in every aspect of its program including attendance. NOBODY GIVES A DAMN ABOUT SMU'S EXCUSES. SMU must overachieve to have a chance

Present analysis:
President Turner-Committed
Coach Morris-Committed
Coach Brown -Committed
Rich Benefactors -Committed-they are bankrolling a lifeless program like no other G5 in the Country
SMU Alumni-well we'll sit on our [deleted] until we win 9 games and then we might decide to attend games :30 minutes or an hour or 100 miles away. North Texas brought more fans to Dallas than SMU took to TCU in 2013 (2,000), TCU in 2015(?), Baylor in 2014 (1,500) , North Texas in 2014(1,000) and A&M in 2013 (650) COMBINED

http://www.dentonrc.com/photos/20140907 ... Top1904196

[PerunasHoof]

Picture of SMU crowd at North Texas coming off 5-6 record and previously 4 straight bowls in 2014 in comparison to NTSU coming off 4-7 in 2015. (See Picture 16 out of 24). NTSU had 10 times more fans at a minimum in Ford than we had in Denton a 30 minutes drive from North Dallas. There are plenty of more mature programs much better than NTSU that WILL take any remaining seats in the P5 conferences. There are no exceptions out there for private schools with rich kids whose daddy can buy a P5 Conference membership. The only school to make the private school jump is TCU which overachieved in every aspect of its program including attendance. NOBODY GIVES A DAMN ABOUT SMU'S EXCUSES. SMU must overachieve to have a chance

Present analysis:
President Turner-Committed
Coach Morris-Committed
Coach Brown -Committed
Rich Benefactors -Committed-they are bankrolling a lifeless program like no other G5 in the Country
SMU Alumni-well we'll sit on our [deleted] until we win 9 games and then we might decide to attend games :30 minutes or an hour or 100 miles away

http://www.dentonrc.com/photos/20140907 ... Top1904196

And why did TCU overachieve with it's attendance? Winning.

What you're talking about is already starting to take effect. The student section? Full and they stayed until the end of the game. The season ticket side? The same. As JMU is homecoming I expect a good turnout as well. So far the team has been exciting to watch. I expect the attendance for the rest of the year will be better than years past.

Last year was an aberration as it was clear that the coach had quit on the school and the team. I honestly don't think you can use that as a comparison to anything. The contingents that we took to Baylor two years a go and Texas A&M before that were pretty good.

[StallionsModelT]

Picture of SMU crowd at North Texas coming off 5-6 record and previously 4 straight bowls in 2014 in comparison to NTSU coming off 4-7 in 2015. (See Picture 16 out of 24). NTSU had 10 times more fans at a minimum in Ford than we had in Denton a 30 minutes drive from North Dallas. There are plenty of more mature programs much better than NTSU that WILL take any remaining seats in the P5 conferences. There are no exceptions out there for private schools with rich kids whose daddy can buy a P5 Conference membership. The only school to make the private school jump is TCU which overachieved in every aspect of its program including attendance. NOBODY GIVES A DAMN ABOUT SMU'S EXCUSES. SMU must overachieve to have a chance

Present analysis:
President Turner-Committed
Coach Morris-Committed
Coach Brown -Committed
Rich Benefactors -Committed-they are bankrolling a lifeless program like no other G5 in the Country
SMU Alumni-well we'll sit on our [deleted] until we win 9 games and then we might decide to attend games :30 minutes or an hour or 100 miles away. North Texas brought more fans to Dallas than SMU took to TCU in 2013 (2,000), TCU in 2015(?), Baylor in 2014 (1,500) , North Texas in 2014(1,000) and A&M in 2014 (650) COMBINED

http://www.dentonrc.com/photos/20140907 ... Top1904196

LOL. You are no doubt a lawyer. Yeah everything is so apples to apples when comparing a school with 40,000 living alumni in DFW and one with 225,000 that plays a one game Super Bowl in the big city. Just quit.

Coming off four bowl appearances? OK. How many of those bowl appearances involved a team that was Top 25 and played a high level? Zero. How many big wins against Top 25 teams in the June Jones era at home? Zero. How many complete and utter beatdowns have occurred when we've played a Top 25 on the road? More than I can freaking count.

After Arizona State-gate the entire program was rotten from the top down. June quit. Fan engagement by the program was at an all time low. Recruiting was terrible. We were dead in the water. Fans don't forget that after TWO GAMES. The program has to build trust with the fans. Coach Morris knows this and has gone out of his way to thank our fans in these first two games. But hey as someone who was at Washington State (you weren't there) I feel I can say we have some great fans. Fans who have stuck with arguably the worst college football program in the nation over the last 30 years. They want to buy in. Coach Morris is giving them a reason but it won't happen overnight. If it makes you feel better to have an internet climax over attendance then I really do feel sorry for you. Those late nights at Cowboys must be taking their toll.

[Hoop Fan]

No individual can be blamed for making his own personal decision on attending a road game. I guess what surprises me is we seem to be missing the typical new coach "bounce" in our collective numbers despite Chad Morris being not only on honeymoon but he also has made a huge effort to connect with everybody. Sort of thought more people would follow Chad on one hand, and give the team the 'benefit of the doubt' for being entertaining and competitive for a 2 and 1/2 quarters with Baylor, and then following that effort with a win vs. NTSU. But I'm sure the people who are there will yell extra hard. I think most of you know college football is a hugely emotional game on the field and what is coming from the stands makes quite a difference. Enough of that, looks like Kris Weeks is starting this week which is great news that he can go.