Gutless -- Typical SMU

[Junior]

I don't get it. Turner says that this is the first time sanctions have been levied under this new system. But then he says that the rules are clear cut and we cannot appeal the basketball postseason band. Turner is gutless.

[Rebel10]

If the basketball violations are so bad we can't appeal but golf is not why did we fire the golf coach and not fire LB?

[StallionsModelT]

I don't get it. Turner says that this is the first time sanctions have been levied under this new system. But then he says that the rules are clear cut and we cannot appeal the basketball postseason band. Turner is gutless.

Water is wet.

[KWhiz77]

Still drinking... Headache won't stop

[blackoutpony]

Turner is such a giant [deleted]. I honestly think he likes taking it up the [deleted] from the ncaa. How do you appeal golf, but not basketball?

[deleted] clown

[couch 'em]

What do you expect from a knight commission bigwig

[DanFreibergerForHeisman]

Ticket office flooded with calls from people wanting to cancel their season tickets.

Not surprising.

[DanFreibergerForHeisman]

If the basketball violations are so bad we can't appeal but golf is not why did we fire the golf coach and not fire LB?

Golf coach was allegedly warned many times to stop and didn't.

LB wasn't directly involved. The administrative assistant and Ulrich who were directly involved were fired immediately.

[couch 'em]

I wonder if the angle of SMU standing behind the seniors of a sport popular with rich whites and not standing behind the seniors of a sport popular with urban poor blacks will be noticed and hurt bball recruiting

[PonySnob]

Ticket office flooded with calls from people wanting to cancel their season tickets.

Wonder how many where here pre-LB?

[gostangs]

i actually don't think people are calling to cancel season tickets. Plus - i don't think they can anyway. Now they might be calling to complain bitterly - that I get.

[Rebel10]

If the basketball violations are so bad we can't appeal but golf is not why did we fire the golf coach and not fire LB?

Golf coach was allegedly warned many times to stop and didn't.

LB wasn't directly involved. The administrative assistant and Ulrich who were directly involved were fired immediately.

Thanks Corso. Tunrer said you can pick up your check tomorrow. Speculating on the golf coach now huh?

[PonyPride]

The lawyers on here can interpret this better than I can, I expect, so feedback is welcome and appreciated.

In the NCAA report (which can be found here: http://www.ncaa.org/sites/default/files ... cision.pdf ), it says that "Collectively, the panel classifies the head coach's violations as Level I – Aggravated."

The NCAA penalty structure (http://www.ncaa.org/sites/default/files/Figure19-1.pdf ) dictates that the "Competition Penalties: Postseason Ban" for a Level I - Aggravated violation is 1-2 years.

So in my non-lawyer interpretation, wouldn't an appeal of the postseason ban be fruitless? The rules being what they are, the academic violation automatically brings a ban of either one or two years, and in this case, the NCAA chose to give one. Couldn't the decision to appeal other parts of the sanctions be presented (weakly) as some kind of a compromise?

A couple of years ago, a football player could be kicked out of a game for targeting an opponent's head. The calls were reviewed, and if the officials overturned the decision, the ejection could be rescinded but the penalty yards stood, which was ridiculous (either it was a penalty or it wasn't). But those were the rules at the time, and were enforced as such. In the offseason, the rule was changed so that if the officials determined a penalty had been called incorrectly, the yards would be rescinded along with the ejection. Am I crazy to think this is a similar deal — the rule is insane, but has to be changed instead of challenged?

OK, that's the end of my effort to sound like a lawyer. Feel free to tell me what I'm missing.

[Terry Webster]

I think whoever made the final decision had to figure out which area's they could win in an appeal, and which will have the longest lasting effects. It sucks that we won't get to the postseason next year but getting the scholarships back will be the best thing in the long run. I really don't think that any appeal about the post season ban would be found in our favor.

[Rebel10]

The lawyers on here can interpret this better than I can, I expect, so feedback is welcome and appreciated.

In the NCAA report (which can be found here: http://www.ncaa.org/sites/default/files ... cision.pdf ), it says that "Collectively, the panel classifies the head coach's violations as Level I – Aggravated."

The NCAA penalty structure (http://www.ncaa.org/sites/default/files/Figure19-1.pdf ) dictates that the "Competition Penalties: Postseason Ban" for a Level I - Aggravated violation is 1-2 years.

So in my non-lawyer interpretation, wouldn't an appeal of the postseason ban be fruitless? The rules being what they are, the academic violation automatically brings a ban of either one or two years, and in this case, the NCAA chose to give one. Couldn't the decision to appeal other parts of the sanctions be presented (weakly) as some kind of a compromise?

A couple of years ago, a football player could be kicked out of a game for targeting an opponent's head. The calls were reviewed, and if the officials overturned the decision, the ejection could be rescinded but the penalty yards stood, which was ridiculous (either it was a penalty or it wasn't). But those were the rules at the time, and were enforced as such. In the offseason, the rule was changed so that if the officials determined a penalty had been called incorrectly, the yards would be rescinded along with the ejection. Am I crazy to think this is a similar deal — the rule is insane, but has to be changed instead of challenged?

OK, that's the end of my effort to sound like a lawyer. Feel free to tell me what I'm missing.

Again, not fruitless if you can at least delay the ban until next year. Man they got this info to you pretty quickly to try to support their position. Turner said himself that it would be February before the NCAA could even hear anything at the PC. Turner has your check ready for you tomorrow.