A Few Truths...

[PonySnob]

for those that think SMU should have "stayed on the same page"-just wondering-should Keith Frazier have told the truth when he testified with immunity?

It should never have gotten to that point

Did Keith need the class?

[Stallion]

so you are saying SMU should have covered up the academic cheating ie subjecting SMU to a lack of institutional control charge

There is no reason it should have even gotten out enough to be investigated. Total amateur hour. If he just sat in the room while the secretary took the class he could have talked his way through everything.

I agree it was "amateur hour"-I think those were the first words out of my mouth after learning of the penalties. That would place the blame on the administrative assistant and Brown who hired her. You can only really blame this on SMU administration if you think Keith Frazier should have lied or SMU should have covered up "amateur hour" which would subject SMU to lack of institutional control charges

[Mestengo]

She was one fine babe. One night with her and you would not care about SMU basketball anymore

[fifty]

I find it amusing we're appealing wins. Who the f cares bout dat?

[CoxMustangFan]

I nominate for OP of the year. I love you guys, but too many glass jaws in Pony Nation. It sucks. Let's realize we've decided to build for the future rather than mortgage it. When you clear the tears, you'll see there is so much to look forward to.

[skyscraper]

More than 24 hrs later and people still whining? Put on your big boy pants, get to Moody and use your tickets, support the program and listen to what Hoop says.

[Junior]

I'm in. F the NCAA, but I'll be there every game this year.

[sadderbudweiser]

I want an:

SMU: We Suck at Cheating

T-shirt.

[sadderbudweiser]

So how do you think Louisville threw hookers at that kid and then he went to Ohio State? Hmmmm. Will that be asked/investigated? Doubtful. You don't punish what you don't choose to investigate. Anyway, time will tell if not appealing the post season ban was right. i think its a mistake not to fight and delay the punishment, especially if we are at risk of getting the APR ban next year too.

For the answer Google: Trans A&M.

[SMU Pony Mom]

In times like this, don't be emotional, this is a program. Don't talk to me about the humanity of cutting Nic and Markus' throats, if it saves the program long term. Look, there are a few truths that seemingly everyone gets, other than this board.

1) The loan wolf rogue secretary is a pawn, tied neatly in a bow, then made off limits.
2) The NCAA ruled on LB the way they did b/c he knows where the bodies are buried and I'd expect they think its a mass grave, not just Keith's incident
3) Larry Brown is the Godfather
4) By backing the Godfather, in light of all this, especially when everyone knows our/his story is utterly unbelievable, makes us FAMILY.

This is SMU basketball and you either can deal w/all of that or you can't, but stop making excuses for what we are and aren't. We're freaking filthy or were and that's ok. Just don't lie to yourself about how this program was built and why it will prevail. Remember when Brown took over and told everyone but 3 guys to go the eff away, 'you're not good enough''? How is that any different than writing off Markus/Nic so we can recruit freely in '16 and '17? By not being greedy in appeal, you hope you get schollies back etc. This move was made so we wouldn't bottom out as a program and if that means Nic and Markus, so be it.

So, sack up. All of this was done w/program in mind, not two kids that may be special to you, but they're hired snipers. The junior class, who gets to compete for a postseason next year, are all 4 yr SMU kids. Somebody was going to get cut up

Honestly it's not like you basically haven't been warning about this over the last couple of years. We need to take our lumps and move forward as a program with as little long term damage as possible.

[ReedFrawg]

Honestly it's not like you basically haven't been warning about this over the last couple of years. We need to take our lumps and move forward as a program with as little long term damage as possible.

I agree but what makes you think anything will change???

[Prideful Pony]

Because we succeeded enough to have a foundation to build on. Same reason Jay-Z stopped selling drugs once he had a couple record deals.

[smupony94]

Because we succeeded enough to have a foundation to build on. Same reason Jay-Z stopped selling drugs once he had a couple record deals.

Best response EVER

[ponyboy]

If there truly are bodies buried, I don't know that we even handled this NCAA investigation all that poorly. We look to the outside observer, including many basketball insiders, to have gotten the shaft. But I'm not sure. Hoopmanx has been telling us for a long time, ever since LB got here, that we're playing the game it takes to succeed. We got our hand slapped, but we're not letting go of the ultimate goal: to build a real program. There have been a lot of you on here saying for years that that's what we have to do.

[Rebel10]

If there truly are bodies buried, I don't know that we even handled this NCAA investigation all that poorly. We look to the outside observer, including many basketball insiders, to have gotten the shaft. But I'm not sure. Hoopmanx has been telling us for a long time, ever since LB got here, that we're playing the game it takes to succeed. We got our hand slapped, but we're not letting go of the ultimate goal: to build a real program. There have been a lot of you on here saying for years that that's what we have to do.

This is more than a hand slap.