SMU in the 2016 2K Sports Classic at Madison Square Garden

[Puckhead48E]

Hold up...a dude with rebel in his moniker might harbor an opinion that could draw from such a belief?

I kid, I kid. I think many are just pissed and still heated and lashing out.

Sadly, the reach of soft racism is far more extensive than any systemic hard racism we have purged from the system. Many of the kids with issues were damaged long before they stepped foot on the hilltop. Society tells you that you are wrong for expecting and challenging instead of accepting and ceding. Hopefully the increased tutorial and academic support benefits the program with better APR scores and eligible players...but more importantly, benefits the kids with a better foundation and shot at success and cross-generational economic mobility in both their and their kids future.

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[Rebel10]

Who said anything about race. I just said we had some APR uncertainties and we do. As far as academic support goes you have to meet a kid where he is a and help him to improve at a pace he can do and not just throw high level stuff at someone when they are not there yet. Carter is a prime example. He wanted to come to SMU but only had a 6th grade reading level. Iowa State was able to work with that better than SMU so he went there. He made a good choice. They will help him along to improve and he will probably graduate. And I think everyone on the board agreed with what he did and wished him well. Kids of all races can have issues in that area. It's just do you have a system in place that can meet those kids where they are and help them to improve and not just throw them in the fire. Anyway, we need to add 2 good post players in the 2016 imo.

[hoopmanx]

So true.

LB had to kickstart the program any way he could. It's kinda like "fake it until you make it."

Whats wrong with actually recruiting talented kids who'll go to school?…they're out there. My guess is that our three frosh have significantly higher grades and SAT scores than MK, Nic and Keith.

Do you have to take chance now and then to get a Mudiay type? Sure you do. But you have to establish that's it's the exception not the rule. You have to play the game by the established rules regardless of how unfairly they are enforced.

I'd love to see the range of SAT scores in any year's top 100 recruits. My guess is that there are many with pretty damn good SAT's.

I felt we changed strategies on the trail about 18 months back, really about the time the NCAA started sniffing. More team creation, less reaching for talented live bodies that may not be a great match. You have to find your groove and find what makes sense. Quite frankly, the Snacks/Ulric era was crazy fun, but a bad culture match. That's not a color thing, that's being larger than life, over the top, flamboyant. We're the Death Penalty school, under a two time NCAA offender, flying close to the sun. We created a perfect storm and it was worth it. Now, we've been around the block and have to take a slightly different tact. The '15 and '16 class reflect that

[Rebel10]

So true.

LB had to kickstart the program any way he could. It's kinda like "fake it until you make it."

Whats wrong with actually recruiting talented kids who'll go to school?…they're out there. My guess is that our three frosh have significantly higher grades and SAT scores than MK, Nic and Keith.

Do you have to take chance now and then to get a Mudiay type? Sure you do. But you have to establish that's it's the exception not the rule. You have to play the game by the established rules regardless of how unfairly they are enforced.

I'd love to see the range of SAT scores in any year's top 100 recruits. My guess is that there are many with pretty damn good SAT's.

I felt we changed strategies on the trail about 18 months back, really about the time the NCAA started sniffing. More team creation, less reaching for talented live bodies that may not be a great match. You have to find your groove and find what makes sense. Quite frankly, the Snacks/Ulric era was crazy fun, but a bad culture match. That's not a color thing, that's being larger than life, over the top, flamboyant. We're the Death Penalty school, under a two time NCAA offender, flying close to the sun. We created a perfect storm and it was worth it. Now, we've been around the block and have to take a slightly different tact. The '15 and '16 class reflect that

#Wheelsup #NikeKicks

[hoopmanx]

Who said anything about race. I just said we had some APR uncertainties and we do. As far as academic support goes you have to meet a kid where he is a and help him too improve at a pace he can do and not just throw high level reading stuff at someone when they are not there yet. Carter is a prime example. He wanted to come to SMU but only had a 6th grade reading level. Iowa State was able to work with that better than SMU so he went there. He made a good choice. They will help him along to improve and he will probably graduate. And I think everyone on the board agreed with what he did and wished him well. Kids of all races can have issues in that area. It's just do you have a system in place that can meet those kids where they are and help them to improve and not just throw them in the fire. Anyway, we need to add 2 good post players in the 2016 imo.

It's not that we couldn't help him become a better student, its that we would have struggled to keep him eligible and he would slaughtered the APR eventually. You don't take those types of risks, in our situation, unless its an elite elite talent.

More to your point, ballers have it a lot easier academically at other schools. I have a coaching buddy who was at Va Tech under Greenberg. He asked me to come down one weekend and I walked the facilities w/a few recruits. They were told point blank they didn't have to go to class. It's funny the NCAA gets moist over creating 'competitive advantages' in cases like Frazier's, but what about the factories who churn them out, each one dumber than the last. Not having kids burdened w/class, free to be professional athletes in college,is the ultimate competitive advantage

[Rebel10]

I believe he will have to go to class at Iowa State as well but he probably won't give Iowa State APR and eligibility issues. Again, right move for him and they can help him along without the eligibility issues. 9th or 10th grade reading level SMU can handle but may have some eligibility issues but 6th grade reading level is more in an area that Iowa State could help him and there is nothing wrong with that.

[ponyboy]

We're the Death Penalty school, under a two time NCAA offender, flying close to the sun. We created a perfect storm and it was worth it.

Sums it up succinctly. While I'd never had chosen it, I'm actually thinking this year's sit out is going to be good for the overall health of this program. We paid some dues, marked out some territory, and have to rest a bit to regroup. Onward and upward.

I do think, by the way, we are still going to kick some serious tail this year.

[SoCal_Pony]

I have a coaching buddy who was at Va Tech under Greenberg. He asked me to come down one weekend and I walked the facilities w/a few recruits. They were told point blank they didn't have to go to class. It's funny the NCAA gets moist over creating 'competitive advantages' in cases like Frazier's, but what about the factories who churn them out, each one dumber than the last. Not having kids burdened w/class, free to be professional athletes in college,is the ultimate competitive advantage

Thanks for sharing. Great Insight.

[ponyboy]

I do think we'll kick serious tail.

[Planter's Punch]

http://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/ ... /31281115/

[smusic 00]

http://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/sports/college/iowa-state/randy-peterson/2015/08/07/simeon-carter-iowa-state-cyclones-basketball-randy-peterson/31281115/

Sounds like a risk we once took.

[Rebel10]

He eligible and I wish the young man the best.