63-0

[mrydel]

Walking is not an option. Fast jog at a minimum

[tristatecoog]

Official attendance was 30,075 so kudos to the Tigers for selling lots of season tickets. Was last year's defense appreciably better than this year's? I guess Missou had a good defense because its O was terrible.

[Mexmustang]

So the administration knows more about football talent and attitude than the head coach? You are basically suggesting that the faculty committee determined the three should be starting? playing? or that their athletic abilities warranted that they stay on scholarship? Attitude and ability should be the only criteria as determined by the Head Coach, these are year to year scholarships. What about the off field performance and academic standing of the others?

[Mexmustang]

By the way, it was Mike Cavan, not JJ that had the biggest "beef" over the issue of cutting players . Bennett had the same issue. Mike had an AD that that either refused to support him or was unable to support him and let everyone but the head coach run the program.

As far as JJ is concerned, in my opinion, he shouldn't ever be allowed to coach again. He tried to quit a year earlier and forgo the pay for 2014, but he allowed his financial supporters to talk him out of it and they assured him that long promised changes would occur which they didn't. He gave up on his team, he gave up on the school, I believe he was (is) ill--a combination of age and his serious automobile accident years earlier. He was living in a single room hotel without family and began preaching to the players---but none of this excuses giving up on the kids he recruited. Is that clear enough?

[One Trick Pony]

June Jones ran off 10 players in one year and about 3 of them got their scholarships back from the university based on a finding that there was no legitimate basis for cutting them. Don't believe anything Mexmustang says he is obvious a bitter old man.

Yeah well he's got a hot wife and he's
Given more to this program than you ever will. Plus your house could fit in his bathroom lol. All old men are bitter.

[vielsiehorsepower]

By the way, it was Mike Cavan, not JJ that had the biggest "beef" over the issue of cutting players . Bennett had the same issue. Mike had an AD that that either refused to support him or was unable to support him and let everyone but the head coach run the program.

As far as JJ is concerned, in my opinion, he shouldn't ever be allowed to coach again. He tried to quit a year earlier and forgo the pay for 2014, but he allowed his financial supporters to talk him out of it and they assured him that long promised changes would occur which they didn't. He gave up on his team, he gave up on the school, I believe he was (is) ill--a combination of age and his serious automobile accident years earlier. He was living in a single room hotel without family and began preaching to the players---but none of this excuses giving up on the kids he recruited. Is that clear enough?

I can find that fairly agreeable. But June jones did get a lot of mountains moved in terms of the administration in order to even get him to sign his original contract. There are likely others more familiar with the details (as I only remember a few, it being 8 years ago) but to imply that the school would not concede his demands is an unfair claim.

Off the top of my head June got:
1.highest salary for a non BCS conference (at the time )
2.incredibly relaxed admissions policies for players (June even went as far as to say to the media that the school over corrected and let in too many borderline athletes (in which case thats his fault for recruiting academic risks)
3.had the stadium lights moved in one week to fit his liking
4.extra academic support for football players e.g study room, tutors etc


Someone with more knowledge can likely give more examples. My contempt for jones aside, a simple analysis of this roster should tell you that June Sheldon jones is the number one reason why smu is not in a position to make the jump to p5. You just don't need an IPF to recruit a kid that runs a 4.4 and at least had an offer from a mid level p5 team or 2. He had the academic restrictions lifted, and or greatly diminished before he hired so there is no blame on the school there.


TL;DR Though June never got his IPF, he did get plenty of his other wishes and could have made this a respectable program with the tools he had to work with. Cosches like hudspeth has done much more with considerably less resources

[Mexmustang]

Look, It is time to move forward and see why this university continues to fail athletically. It is about keeping Chad Morris or his replacement energized and successful. I have always tried to point out those issues that effect how a coach perceives this university (his employer) and how much energy and time he is willing to devote to SMU. As we see, especially this year, Universities are not loyal to coaches and thus coaches not loyal to universities. It is only a question as to how aggressive a coach is in seeking that next job which is based on how he perceives his support from alumni and the administration.

I am telling you that there are four points where the bar hasn't moved after one year, that some believe the university isn't committed to big time football. This isn't my list...

1. The facilities. I am now told we "may" announce something by February. Let's see. But, no one ever told the staff of that $110,000,00 ($110-130MM?) budget $25,000,000 needed to be repaid on the Tennis facility and Moody, or that $30-35,000,000 or so also dedicated to moving and rebuilding soccer, before the football facility money is raised and ground broken. I am not sure of the exact numbers, so don't get bogged down in the minutia. I was told that it was decided to break the projects into separate projects. But it would still mean that only the new natatorium would fall behind football in fundraising and construction. My own opinion is that if the money is raised, it will still be two to three years before an IPF is completed--the third or fourth year of Chad's contract.

2. Athletic Friendly Courses. We still need courses of study for athletes that they both want and can succeed in. I thought this was "fixed", but apparently not. Sports Management is attracting too many regular students as it is of great interest to a number of students. I also thought that Simmons had provided some relief to admission of athletes to the school. Some of you should look into this, but this still made the list.

3. Cancelling Scholarships. Despite the fact that the student athlete signs a one-year contract with the university, HC's cannot, hear me Stallion? remove an SMU athlete from scholarship if his grades and off campus performance is satisfactory. Look, this isn't Little League, where everyone gets a $5.00 plastic trophy, if a kid doesn't put the work in, has a bad attitude or quite frankly is simply a "bust" he should loose his scholarship if the HC feels it is in the best interest of the program. When I was in high school, back when they invented fire, we were cutting players from the Varsity--no big deal. But at SMU we are talking about a cost of $265,000, plus, for a player on scholarship, and that doesn't include summer school or a fifth year, not a plastic trophy. A bad "seed" in a difficult year can grow like a cancer inside the team. Unless the faculty is willing to put the HFC on the faculty committee, this should be his decision, not theirs!

4. Academic Assistance. I know last year we had only two professional athletic counselors, one for basketball and one for football. Let's see one tutor for 90 players? This may have changed in the last six months, but this was a major issue until recently. Maybe someone has an update.

Look if you want to beat teams like TCU and Baylor you have to have the same commitment that these schools made years ago, that includes the realization that programs need to be in place to keep athletes in school and keep your promises--timely.

[Rebel10]

Look, It is time to move forward and see why this university continues to fail athletically. It is about keeping Chad Morris or his replacement energized and successful. I have always tried to point out those issues that effect how a coach perceives this university (his employer) and how much energy and time he is willing to devote to SMU. As we see, especially this year, Universities are not loyal to coaches and thus coaches not loyal to universities. It is only a question as to how aggressive a coach is in seeking that next job which is based on how he perceives his support from alumni and the administration.

I am telling you that there are four points where the bar hasn't moved after one year, that some believe the university isn't committed to big time football. This isn't my list...

1. The facilities. I am now told we "may" announce something by February. Let's see. But, no one ever told the staff of that $110,000,00 ($110-130MM?) budget $25,000,000 needed to be repaid on the Tennis facility and Moody, or that $30-35,000,000 or so also dedicated to moving and rebuilding soccer, before the football facility money is raised and ground broken. I am not sure of the exact numbers, so don't get bogged down in the minutia. I was told that it was decided to break the projects into separate projects. But it would still mean that only the new natatorium would fall behind football in fundraising and construction. My own opinion is that if the money is raised, it will still be two to three years before an IPF is completed--the third or fourth year of Chad's contract.

2. Athletic Friendly Courses. We still need courses of study for athletes that they both want and can succeed in. I thought this was "fixed", but apparently not. Sports Management is attracting too many regular students as it is of great interest to a number of students. I also thought that Simmons had provided some relief to admission of athletes to the school. Some of you should look into this, but this still made the list.

3. Cancelling Scholarships. Despite the fact that the student athlete signs a one-year contract with the university, HC's cannot, hear me Stallion? remove an SMU athlete from scholarship if his grades and off campus performance is satisfactory. Look, this isn't Little League, where everyone gets a $5.00 plastic trophy, if a kid doesn't put the work in, has a bad attitude or quite frankly is simply a "bust" he should loose his scholarship if the HC feels it is in the best interest of the program. When I was in high school, back when they invented fire, we were cutting players from the Varsity--no big deal. But at SMU we are talking about a cost of $265,000, plus, for a player on scholarship, and that doesn't include summer school or a fifth year, not a plastic trophy. A bad "seed" in a difficult year can grow like a cancer inside the team. Unless the faculty is willing to put the HFC on the faculty committee, this should be his decision, not theirs!

4. Academic Assistance. I know last year we had only two professional athletic counselors, one for basketball and one for football. Let's see one tutor for 90 players? This may have changed in the last six months, but this was a major issue until recently. Maybe someone has an update.

Look if you want to beat teams like TCU and Baylor you have to have the same commitment that these schools made years ago, that includes the realization that programs need to be in place to keep athletes in school and keep your promises--timely.

[Rebel10]

He tried to quit a year earlier and forgo the pay for 2014

If June tried to quit in 2014 why did he go on a public contract media war right before the UCF game because he though he had some leverage?

[smupony94]

Mex is telling half truths