The Farce Known As The NCAA Committe on Infractions

[Mexmustang]

Stallion, not trying to pick another fight. But, we did or didn't end up self-reporting?

LB got the penalty for slow-playing the self-reporting.

But, SMU got the penalty for academic misconduct that we did in fact self-report.

Our compliance staff was complimented for its thoroughness, etc. How can you say we didn't self-report?

Again, it seems that SMU is the only school that plays the game as it should be played, while the rest simply "circle the wagons" without respect for the NCAA.

[skyscraper]

I feel like half of this board sits at home and replays failed attempts to talk to girls at bars and passes they dropped during HS football games.
Just move forward and learn from your mistakes. This season is going about as well as possible at this point.

[2ndandlong]

Syracuse was investigated under old COI and violations/punishments are not relevant to the newly adopted Infractions Program. FIGURE 19-1 Penalty Guidelines did not apply to them nor do the new rules surrounding appeal.

We did not self-report this violation. Not whatsoever. We were investigated by the NCAA. During that investigation, we admitted to wrong-doing. Self-reporting means that Compliance calls the NCAA and says, "hey, a secretary helped a student with an on-line course that ultimately had no bearing on his NCAA or SMU eligibility." That did not happen, not at all.

NCAA came in and investigated based on the fact we were on basketball probation from the Doherty violation which I do believe was self-reported. That is the only self-report tie-in to this whole thing, but that's quite the stretch.

[ontheedgeofmyseat]

Right on, Skyscrapper, but we are a program that has shown an unprecedented ability to NOT learn from our mistakes.

[2ndandlong]

Compliance was acknowledged for its program in the 60 page report because Compliance was never made aware of the violation prior to NCAA uncovering in interviews, and Compliance had taken all reasonable steps toward mitigation.

Player and Administrative Assistant went to Head Coach and told him about the course. His response was to tell Player and Admin to come clean and be honest in NCAA interviews. (Head Coach was also honest in interviews despite saying no, stepping out of room, returning to room, and clarifying the record.) That's the ultimate violation. Head Coach should have reported to Compliance, Athletics Director, and University President. That's why it is lack of head coach control and not lack of institutional control.

[smusportspage]

"We did not self-report this violation. Not whatsoever. We were investigated by the NCAA. During that investigation, we admitted to wrong-doing. Self-reporting means that Compliance calls the NCAA and says, "hey, a secretary helped a student with an on-line course that ultimately had no bearing on his NCAA or SMU eligibility." That did not happen, not at all.

NCAA came in and investigated based on the fact we were on basketball probation from the Doherty violation which I do believe was self"

Are you sure about this? If so, please tell me how you are because it is not my understanding at all.

[Stallion]

For the purposes of discussion the Report in Opening Paragraph says:

"This case initially arose out of false information submitted by the former compliance director to the COI, relating to Infractions Decision No. 343 (2011) and subsequent questions regarding whether the institution had complied with the terms of probation"

the 2011 Decision I guess was the Doherty decision

[2ndandlong]

the 2011 Decision I guess was the Doherty decision

This is correct.

[Stallion]

Further on page 2:

"This case began after the institution self reported a possible violation to the enforcement staff when it became aware it provided falsified documentation to the COI as part of its probation reporting obligations in Infractions Decision No. 343 (2011)"
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"Additionally, in January 2014, the enforcement staff and the institution initiated an investigation into the men's basketball program AFTER MEDIA REPORTS SURFACED about pre-enrollment academic issues related to a student-athlete" (emphasis added)

[sadderbudweiser]

I feel like half of this board sits at home and replays failed attempts to talk to girls at bars and passes they dropped during HS football games.

Around here we call that: "The older I get the better I was."

[2ndandlong]

Are you sure about this? If so, please tell me how you are because it is not my understanding at all.

I am very confident in all of that. I have read the report (see quote from report in Stallions post). I also sit on Board of Trustees Subcommittee for Athletics, the Athletics Council, and Mustang Club Board and have attended meetings for all of these groups since the infractions ruling where this was primary agenda item.

[Stallion]

The question therefore becomes:

Based on the Brett Shipp Ch. 8 investigation into Keith Frazier's enrollment into SMU, do you feel that SMU as an Institution was justified in further investigating the circumstances around Frazier's enrollment through its Compliance Department or do you think SMU should have done nothing and have its AD, BB Coach, assistant coach, administrative assistant and Frazier sign the required annual certifications under oath that they know of no violations in the SMU Basketball program

Remember SMU does not know what Ch. 8's Brett Shipp has or what DISD might have found later. Shipp has been investigating Keith Frazier for 4 years and has done about 5 stories on Keith alone since his Sophomore year in high school. He may still be investigating Keith and Maligi for all we know

Basically you are asking whether SMU Football was justified in lying to the NCAA prior to the Death Penalty in 1986. You are setiing up a Lack of Institutional Control finding if Shipp finds the truth-a truth SMU has admitted. The Ch. 8 report was a red warning flag that SMU had to follow up on--and the report says the NCAA was going to do it anyway-since they jopintly initiated the investigation. You really think the NCAA wasn't going to investigate that Ch. 8 report?

BOTTOM LINE: We did not self report the Basketball violations or commence an investigation until after the Ch. 8 story-NCAA was going to investigate it if we didn't

[smusportspage]

Well then, I think they need a couple of Brad Shipps down Waco, College Station and Austin. Seriously...what a joke

[One Trick Pony]

Has anyone ever been wrong on this board , besides me

[LA_Mustang]

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