The Farce Known As The NCAA Committe on Infractions

[Puckhead48E]

The question therefore becomes:

Based on the Brett Shipp Ch. 8 investigation into Keith Frazier's enrollment into SMU, do you feel that SMU as an Institution was justified in further investigating the circumstances around Frazier's enrollment through its Compliance Department or do you think SMU should have done nothing and have its AD, BB Coach, assistant coach, administrative assistant and Frazier sign the required annual certifications under oath that they know of no violations in the SMU Basketball program

Remember SMU does not know what Ch. 8's Brett Shipp has or what DISD might have found later. Shipp has been investigating Keith Frazier for 4 years and has done about 5 stories on Keith alone since his Sophomore year in high school. He may still be investigating Keith and Maligi for all we know

Basically you are asking whether SMU Football was justified in lying to the NCAA prior to the Death Penalty in 1986. You are setiing up a Lack of Institutional Control finding if Shipp finds the truth-a truth SMU has admitted. The Ch. 8 report was a red warning flag that SMU had to follow up on--and the report says the NCAA was going to do it anyway-since they jopintly initiated the investigation. You really think the NCAA wasn't going to investigate that Ch. 8 report?

BOTTOM LINE: We did not self report the Basketball violations or commence an investigation until after the Ch. 8 story-NCAA was going to investigate it if we didn't

Question...was Shipp looking specifically into the online course? Thought he was concentrating on the myriad of clams regarding Keith and pretty much every other successful athlete coming out of that HS. Reading a few of his stories, seemed he was attempting to make the logical leap from his coverage of Keith's HS issues at school that he caught the online course cheating....but only after the fact.

[CalallenStang]

Sigh, let's rehash the same conversations from a few months ago.

When is someone going to say that Nic and Markus are considering transferring? That's the only difference between this thread and the other 20 on the subject.

[2ndandlong]

Has anyone ever been wrong on this board , besides me

I once misspelled a word.

[smupony94]

I once said 2nd was cool and funny

[Puckhead48E]

Well, if you saw my GPA and attendance records, you would wonder what I did right while at SMU!

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[DanFreibergerForHeisman]

Has anyone ever been wrong on this board , besides me

I once predicted SMU would win a football game.

[smusportspage]

I have been often wrong but never in doubt.

[2ndandlong]

I once said 2nd was cool and funny

I see what you did there.

[EastStang]

We kind of derailed. But the COI does seem to have a stiffy for SMU that it doesn't have for P5 schools. Is that because the other schools lie, cover up, hide the ball, or because the NCAA doesn't want to tick of the P5 conferences? Either way, until I see a major penalty handed out to the likes of an SEC team or UT, I'll always believe that the NCAA COI is a joke.

[2ndandlong]

East, I understand your perception.

In my opinion, the preceding compliance team at SMU, all of which are now gone, were lackluster at best and led to a lot of self-reporting instead of mitigating through education and a robust compliance program. I think the NCAA has all but said this as well, and it has directly soured their perception of our university. They have directly commended our new compliance program.

Due to this poor compliance approach of self-reporting instead of mitigating, we were on probation (for the Doh tweets). Any penalty handed down by the NCAA during a probation period will immediately include "aggravating factors" for a history past violations. And, while the NCAA report included other aggravating factors and several mitigating factors, the aggravating factors outweighed the mitigating factors.

It will take years of robust compliance to correct this perception.

[smusportspage]

Are you kidding me? It appears like it doesn't matter at all. Besides that, I don't like to get in the habit of blaming the person that preceded you. Damned if we do, damned if we don't. What a joke.

[2ndandlong]

Um, I'm not in compliance, so I'm not blaming the person that preceded me. I also have not ever heard Hart or Conder blame the previous administration. I read in the NCAA's report that they commended the current compliance program. In their report on the Doh findings, they did not commend compliance. Pretty cut and dry observation.

Aside from that, our aggravating factors could have far outweighed our mitigating factors. That would have moved our postseason ban from 1-2 years for Standard to 2-4 years for Aggravation. THAT MATTERS! It has a direct impact on the number of years of postseason ban we received. As much as some are whining like a bunch of little girls over one year, I can't imagine the meltdown if it was 2-4 years.

Here are some key quotes from the report:

[T]his case was initiated because the institution self-reported a violation when its former compliance director falsified documentation in an annual probation report submitted to the COI. That led to a wider investigation into the institution's compliance with Infractions Decision No. 343.

why there was no lack of institutional control:

With respect to the portion of the allegation that the compliance director and the director of athletics were unfamiliar with the institution's preliminary report in the previous infractions matter, the panel found both individuals' statements at the hearing credible and persuasive. Both administrators conveyed how important athletics compliance was to them coming into their new positions and to the institution. Again, the panel does not conclude a lack of institutional control existed under these circumstances.

Aggravating Factors for the Institution
19.9.3-(b): A history of major violations by the institution;
19.9.3-(e): Unethical conduct, failing to cooperate during an investigation and refusing to provide all relevant or requested information;
19.9.3-(h): Persons of authority condoned, participated in or negligently disregarded the violation or related wrongful conduct;
19.9.3-(m): Intentional, willful or blatant disregard for the NCAA constitution and bylaws.

Mitigating Factors for the Institution
19.9.4-(b): Prompt acknowledgement of the violation, acceptance of responsibility and imposition of meaningful corrective measures;
19.9.4-(c): Affirmative steps to expedite final resolution of the matter;
19.9.4-(d): An established history of self-reporting Level III or secondary violations.

[smusportspage]

Why so defensive....you stated it was your opinion. You are allowed your opinion. It is my opinion that the NCAA is a joke.

[EastStang]

And 19.9(3)-B is why no SEC school will ever get whacked by the NCAA and why we always will. If you don't investigate SEC schools or ACC schools, or a school like UT then they have a "history of compliance" because they were never caught. That is why UNC will likely get no punishment for its fake African American Studies class despite it affecting something like 2000 student athletes over multiple years. Its much easier to find a hangnail at SMU, UNLV, Fresno State or Howard and whack them again to show that you're serious about compliance. Face it, the NCAA regulations are like the bible, at some point in time everyone sins somehow. Even when you take responsibility, turn yourself in for too many text messages, you still have that nagging "history", and the big schools just keep on sinning without admitting fault, any oversight or fear which gives them an even bigger competitive advantage than they already have. Sorry, but don't defend the NCAA to me. As I said, when UT gets banned from postseason play for recruiting violations in Men's football or basketball (knowing what we all personally know about UT's ethical recruiting and handling of its athletes), then I'll believe that the NCAA is worthy of some respect.

[Stallion]

What is this crap about the SEC never being investigated-they've just about all been put on probation pretty recently-I think there were 4 SEC schools on probation during a recent period