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Re: Breaking: Major NCAA Violations by MIZZOU

Postby 2ndandlong » Wed Jan 13, 2016 4:12 pm

So is it all Level III violations that get accumulated to be one Level II violation? Haven't read the full NCAA report, but this looks like it will not be lack of head coach control or institutional control. Voluntary postseason ban will probably suffice for NCAA.
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Re: Breaking: Major NCAA Violations by MIZZOU

Postby smusic 00 » Wed Jan 13, 2016 4:13 pm

Depends on who knew what when, right?
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Re: Breaking: Major NCAA Violations by MIZZOU

Postby Rebel10 » Wed Jan 13, 2016 4:15 pm

smusic 00 wrote:Because they will accept it as their official ban and not impose another one, which would be the fair thing to do.

Right, I just had a typo. I meant I could not see why anyone would be upset at Missouri. They made a good move by banning a team that is not going to make post season anyway.
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Re: Breaking: Major NCAA Violations by MIZZOU

Postby Junior » Wed Jan 13, 2016 4:15 pm

2ndandlong wrote:So is it all Level III violations that get accumulated to be one Level II violation? Haven't read the full NCAA report, but this looks like it will not be lack of head coach control or institutional control. Voluntary postseason ban will probably suffice for NCAA.

Level I - A donor (Representative #1) to MU Athletics provided impermissible benefits to three men's basketball student-athletes and one prospective men's basketball student-athlete from 2013-2014. The impermissible benefits included compensating student-athletes for work-not-performed at a business through a summer internship program. Through the internship program, the donor also provided other impermissible inducements and extra benefits including housing, cash in the amount of $520, local transportation, iPads, meals and arranged for the use of a local gym for the student-athletes, all in violation of NCAA bylaws.
Level II – A second donor (Representative #2) was discovered to have provided impermissible benefits to 11 student-athletes and three members of one student-athlete's family from 2011-2014. The benefits included providing student-athletes with a "friends & family" reduced rate at a hotel as well as meals and a ride on a recreational boat. A Missouri men's basketball student-manager also provided transportation for multiple student-athletes to the hotel from the Missouri campus, all in violation of NCAA bylaws.
Level II – Because the University of Missouri did not fully vet the summer internship employment opportunity and follow-up to request documentation at the conclusion of the 2013 and 2014 internships with Representative #1, the institution was cited with a failure to adequately monitor the internship program.
Level III – A former associate head men's basketball coach assisted in the relocation of a prospective student-athlete by providing the phone number of the prospect's mother to a donor (Representative #2) to arrange for rental housing. The family paid a market rate for the rental. However, the actions of the former associate head coach are in violation of NCAA bylaws.
Level III – Representative #1 had multiple impermissible recruiting contacts with a prospective student-athlete and paid for a meal for a non-scholastic coach, in violation of NCAA bylaws.
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Re: Breaking: Major NCAA Violations by MIZZOU

Postby One Trick Pony » Wed Jan 13, 2016 4:18 pm

All this NCAA chatter reminds me of a bunch of divorces at a cocktail party.
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Re: Breaking: Major NCAA Violations by MIZZOU

Postby sadderbudweiser » Wed Jan 13, 2016 5:06 pm

Statement from Frank Haith's lawyer: "Coach Haith cooperated fully with the NCAA enforcement staff's investigation and we have been informed by the enforcement staff that Coach Haith will not be charged with any violations and, therefore, has been cleared of any wrongdoing. It has been Coach Haith's position throughout this investigation that he acted appropriately at all times and that he monitored his program and promoted an atmosphere of compliance. The fact that the enforcement staff has not charged Coach Haith with any violations validates our position.

Coach Haith wishes the best to the University of Missouri, its men's basketball program and his former student-athletes in getting through this difficult time."
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Re: Breaking: Major NCAA Violations by MIZZOU

Postby 2ndandlong » Wed Jan 13, 2016 5:35 pm

Junior wrote:
2ndandlong wrote:So is it all Level III violations that get accumulated to be one Level II violation? Haven't read the full NCAA report, but this looks like it will not be lack of head coach control or institutional control. Voluntary postseason ban will probably suffice for NCAA.

Level I - A donor (Representative #1) to MU Athletics provided impermissible benefits to three men's basketball student-athletes and one prospective men's basketball student-athlete from 2013-2014. The impermissible benefits included compensating student-athletes for work-not-performed at a business through a summer internship program. Through the internship program, the donor also provided other impermissible inducements and extra benefits including housing, cash in the amount of $520, local transportation, iPads, meals and arranged for the use of a local gym for the student-athletes, all in violation of NCAA bylaws.
Level II – A second donor (Representative #2) was discovered to have provided impermissible benefits to 11 student-athletes and three members of one student-athlete's family from 2011-2014. The benefits included providing student-athletes with a "friends & family" reduced rate at a hotel as well as meals and a ride on a recreational boat. A Missouri men's basketball student-manager also provided transportation for multiple student-athletes to the hotel from the Missouri campus, all in violation of NCAA bylaws.
Level II – Because the University of Missouri did not fully vet the summer internship employment opportunity and follow-up to request documentation at the conclusion of the 2013 and 2014 internships with Representative #1, the institution was cited with a failure to adequately monitor the internship program.
Level III – A former associate head men's basketball coach assisted in the relocation of a prospective student-athlete by providing the phone number of the prospect's mother to a donor (Representative #2) to arrange for rental housing. The family paid a market rate for the rental. However, the actions of the former associate head coach are in violation of NCAA bylaws.
Level III – Representative #1 had multiple impermissible recruiting contacts with a prospective student-athlete and paid for a meal for a non-scholastic coach, in violation of NCAA bylaws.


Oh damn! So one thing we are appealing as part of ours is we had multiple level 3's which NCAA can consolidate to a level 2. In our case, the NCAA then combined that with an existing level 2 which consolidated up into a level 1. At least in the above, it doesn't appear that NCAA is turning multiple 2's or 3's into an additional 1. That may indicate towards a view in our favor. I hope.
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Re: Breaking: Major NCAA Violations by MIZZOU

Postby RGV Pony » Wed Jan 13, 2016 5:36 pm

Ncaa is still investigating. Those were mizzous own findings were they not
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Re: Breaking: Major NCAA Violations by MIZZOU

Postby mrydel » Wed Jan 13, 2016 5:41 pm

What a coincidence that Haith left a solid SEC job for Tulsa when he did.
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Re: Breaking: Major NCAA Violations by MIZZOU

Postby Terry Webster » Wed Jan 13, 2016 8:00 pm

Wonder if Tulsa is going to bounce Haith?
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Re: Breaking: Major NCAA Violations by MIZZOU

Postby smupony94 » Wed Jan 13, 2016 8:08 pm

He swears he wasn't involved
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Re: Breaking: Major NCAA Violations by MIZZOU

Postby DanFreibergerForHeisman » Wed Jan 13, 2016 8:12 pm

smupony94 wrote:He swears he wasn't involved

Wouldn't surprise me since he hasn't really been around schools that have had impermissible benefits from boosters in the past.
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Re: Breaking: Major NCAA Violations by MIZZOU

Postby smupony94 » Wed Jan 13, 2016 8:14 pm

Yep he left Miami cleanly
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Re: Breaking: Major NCAA Violations by MIZZOU

Postby Terry Webster » Wed Jan 13, 2016 8:41 pm

Yahoo sports did a scathing article about Haith.
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Re: Breaking: Major NCAA Violations by MIZZOU

Postby JasonB » Wed Jan 13, 2016 10:02 pm

It was asked earlier - but is this under the old rules or new rules?

If the new rules, Haith will get punished by the NCAA. It doesn't matter if he knew anything or not.
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