Jeff Reinebold Ripping Chad Morris

[mustangxc]

I don’t think JJ beat many teams over.500. And he did it with Bennett’s players. Once they graduated the program went down in a hurry. Now what was it that Reinbold did to get fired?

PB
2005 year 4: 5-6
2006 year 5: 6-6
2007 year 6: 1-11

JJ
2008 year 1: 1-11
2009 year 2: 8-5
2010 year 3: 7-7
2011 year 4: 8-5
2012 year 5: 7-6
2013 year 6: 5-7

Funny how PB's players never managed to win more than 6 games and won only 1 game his last year and yet 5 years into the Jones regime and we were still going bowling. How do you spin that? June stopped recruiting after the 2011 season and it became very apparent on the field when we lost Garrett Gilbert to graduation. I hate that he stayed on after he had mentally checked out and I do not understand how our administration did not fire him for cause after the ASU debacle but do not understand why so many cannot acknowledge the good things he did for SMU.

[Rebel10]

He said the year he was about to leave that there was a talent drop off. Now I know you we a JJ suck up but he was like 5-30 against teams with winning records. And he was beating on teams like UTEP and Texas State. Bottom line is that you think JJ was better than Morris and overall he wasn’t. Mason saved him a few times and his offense was not nearly as productive as HCCM. Don’t hate the man just don’t like how he did the school like turning down the IPF. But if you still have some stuff that you saved up to further brown nose JJ go ahead, you and Mustangsagu and the JJ suck up gang.

[Mustangsabu]

I don’t think JJ beat many teams over.500. And he did it with Bennett’s players. Once they graduated the program went down in a hurry. Now what was it that Reinbold did to get fired?

PB
2005 year 4: 5-6
2006 year 5: 6-6
2007 year 6: 1-11

JJ
2008 year 1: 1-11
2009 year 2: 8-5
2010 year 3: 7-7
2011 year 4: 8-5
2012 year 5: 7-6
2013 year 6: 5-7

Funny how PB's players never managed to win more than 6 games and won only 1 game his last year and yet 5 years into the Jones regime and we were still going bowling. How do you spin that? June stopped recruiting after the 2011 season and it became very apparent on the field when we lost Garrett Gilbert to graduation. I hate that he stayed on after he had mentally checked out and I do not understand how our administration did not fire him for cause after the ASU debacle but do not understand why so many cannot acknowledge the good things he did for SMU.

People struggle with their hatred of JJ. They want things to be black and white. They aren't. JJ should have left the program when the ASU deal happened, we all know that. He was totally checked out. But he was a damn good coach, and by year three of his program we were in the conference championship game, and without the injury to Padron may well have won that game and the bowl. That same year he turned down the chance to leave. The following year showed him that SMU didn't really care. The first four years of JJ I think it is fair to say he was fully invested in this program. Chad Morris used this program to get a bigger job from day one. We can use that to build upon, and it is up to the administration to get it done, but from a character standpoint Chad has been found seriously wanting.

[mustangxc]

He said the year he was about to leave that there was a talent drop off. Now I know you we a JJ suck up but he was like 5-30 against teams with winning records. And he was beating on teams like UTEP and Texas State. Bottom line is that you think JJ was better than Morris and overall he wasn’t. Mason saved him a few times and his offense was not nearly as productive as HCCM. But if you still have some stuff that you saved up to further brown nose JJ go ahead.

I am not arguing that JJ was better than Morris. My argument is that Morris was no better than June Jones was at SMU in his first 3 seasons. June also beat up on UNT, Tulsa, Tulane, and FCS opponents just like Morris. Name one team we have beat the last 3 seasons that June Jones could not beat? Houston last year was the lone signature win for Morris. June had one of those when we beat TCU in Fort Worth.

[Mustangsabu]

He said the year he was about to leave that there was a talent drop off. Now I know you we a JJ suck up but he was like 5-30 against teams with winning records. And he was beating on teams like UTEP and Texas State. Bottom line is that you think JJ was better than Morris and overall he wasn’t. Mason saved him a few times and his offense was not nearly as productive as HCCM. Don’t hate the man just don’t like how he did the school like turning down the IPF. But if you still have some stuff that you saved up to further brown nose JJ go ahead, you and Mustangsagu and the JJ suck up gang.

I would take offense to the "JJ suck-up" tag but why bother. It saddens me to see dialogue like that but I have no interest in helping you through the irrational belittling of June Jones as a football coach. He did great things with our program, and then he went on to do terrible things with our program. It ended his career. Apparently that is not enough for you, but I see it as just a shame. It does not, however, affect what he did during his first four years here. We were tied for first in our division in his second year. We were deemed by Vegas to be the largest underdog during the 2009 Bowl Season and we won by more than any other team. He had the largest turn around in the nation. We were in the conference championship game his third season. These are things that you cannot take away from him as much as you want to. Chad cannot make any of these claims.

But June Jones is never going to be able to claim that he brought SMU back to national relevance. There is, if the administration does what it needs to do, a chance that Chad Morris will be able to make that claim. We are on the rise, and he started us on this journey. If we go on and follow this trajectory and start competing for conferences and NY6 bowls than I think Chad has to get credit for starting it off. If we slump again then Chad's legacy is one of simply using the program for his own advancement. Time will tell, but achievements are still achievements. It does you no good to spew vitriol at people because they can separate anger from analysis.

[mustangxc]

But June Jones is never going to be able to claim that he brought SMU back to national relevance. There is, if the administration does what it needs to do, a chance that Chad Morris will be able to make that claim. We are on the rise, and he started us on this journey. If we go on and follow this trajectory and start competing for conferences and NY6 bowls than I think Chad has to get credit for starting it off. If we slump again then Chad's legacy is one of simply using the program for his own advancement. Time will tell, but achievements are still achievements. It does you no good to spew vitriol at people because they can separate anger from analysis.

That is where I disagree. I credit Chad Morris for revamping recruiting and winning enough to make this team bowl eligible this season. However, we have not accomplished anything special yet and I will give credit to whoever elevates this program to further heights not Chad. That said I am thankful for the Frisco Bowl and will be there to cheer on SMU!

[deucetz]

He said the year he was about to leave that there was a talent drop off. Now I know you we a JJ suck up but he was like 5-30 against teams with winning records. And he was beating on teams like UTEP and Texas State. Bottom line is that you think JJ was better than Morris and overall he wasn’t. Mason saved him a few times and his offense was not nearly as productive as HCCM. Don’t hate the man just don’t like how he did the school like turning down the IPF. But if you still have some stuff that you saved up to further brown nose JJ go ahead, you and Mustangsagu and the JJ suck up gang.

June Jones was better than Chad Morris, he just overstayed his welcome when he checked out. What was Chad's record against winning teams? Chad's record this year was a mirage due to his cupcake out of conference games. Imagine what JJ's record would have been with a cupcake out of conference schedule. JJ will likely have put more talent to the NFL than Chad.

Chad has done good things for the program, he just didn't finish it. I don't blame him for leaving, Arkansas is a better football program.

[SMUBig12Bound]

But June Jones is never going to be able to claim that he brought SMU back to national relevance. There is, if the administration does what it needs to do, a chance that Chad Morris will be able to make that claim. We are on the rise, and he started us on this journey. If we go on and follow this trajectory and start competing for conferences and NY6 bowls than I think Chad has to get credit for starting it off. If we slump again then Chad's legacy is one of simply using the program for his own advancement. Time will tell, but achievements are still achievements. It does you no good to spew vitriol at people because they can separate anger from analysis.

Disagree 100%. Sure he can and he should - June led SMU to 4 straight bowls. How quickly we forget how many years prior to 2009 did we make a bowl? A loooong time. Personally, got very tired of Chad's "change the culture" hot air. He took over a program that had gone to 4 bowls in 6 years.

[Rebel10]

But June Jones is never going to be able to claim that he brought SMU back to national relevance. There is, if the administration does what it needs to do, a chance that Chad Morris will be able to make that claim. We are on the rise, and he started us on this journey. If we go on and follow this trajectory and start competing for conferences and NY6 bowls than I think Chad has to get credit for starting it off. If we slump again then Chad's legacy is one of simply using the program for his own advancement. Time will tell, but achievements are still achievements. It does you no good to spew vitriol at people because they can separate anger from analysis.

Disagree 100%. Sure he can and he should - June led SMU to 4 straight bowls. How quickly we forget how many years prior to 2009 did we make a bowl? A loooong time.

Okay Stangitup or whoever you were. Seems like every JJ suck up troll in the world is coming back during this coaching search.

[mrydel]

Ted Bundy was a nice child

[Mustangsabu]

But June Jones is never going to be able to claim that he brought SMU back to national relevance. There is, if the administration does what it needs to do, a chance that Chad Morris will be able to make that claim. We are on the rise, and he started us on this journey. If we go on and follow this trajectory and start competing for conferences and NY6 bowls than I think Chad has to get credit for starting it off. If we slump again then Chad's legacy is one of simply using the program for his own advancement. Time will tell, but achievements are still achievements. It does you no good to spew vitriol at people because they can separate anger from analysis.

That is where I disagree. I credit Chad Morris for revamping recruiting and winning enough to make this team bowl eligible this season. However, we have not accomplished anything special yet and I will give credit to whoever elevates this program to further heights not Chad. That said I am thankful for the Frisco Bowl and will be there to cheer on SMU!

I understand that viewpoint. I just think I will give Chad credit for the team that he is passing on. I think June's legacy is tarnished because for all the great things he did he let the team disintegrate and left the new coach with a rebuild. Chad has not left a rebuild, but a foundation. Unless of course we lose all our recruits and the next guy is left in a hole....

[Insane_Pony_Posse]

It does you no good to spew vitriol at people because they can separate anger from analysis.

with age i've tried to do that, and must admit it is a more peaceful existence
Rebel will grow wiser with age too.

[One Trick Pony]

Ted Bundy was a nice child

That's your best one this week

[Nacho]

Bottom line is that June checked out but kept the checks.

[Topper]

SEC West is rough on coaches. Chad will have to recruit Texas like the Razorbacks did in the days of the old SWC. LSU has seen its best days but I don't see Arkansas overtaking them in the race for third place on a consistent basis. Still believe Arkansas shot itself in the foot when it left the SWC where it had easier access to the Texas recruits. Maybe that is the mindset that led to his hiring up there.