Jimmy Tubbs.........not a good coach

[abezontar]

Due, I can't believe you would post a rumor like that, that could be so damaging and implicate cheating at UT, how dare you!!!!

[Hoop Fan]

in addition to recruiting Hop out of high school, Rick Barnes tried to get him to transfer there two years ago. Hop didnt want to sit out a year - youve got to feel for this kid - hes a very unselfish person.

do you have personal knowledge of a recruiting violation and certainly a lack of ethics by Rick Barnes? Or is this just more hearsay?

[due]

Im not sure if your being sarcastic, but transferring to another program is not a violation of any means. yes, I have personal knowledge.

[abezontar]

But recruiting a player from another D1 program is.

[Webmaster]

Due, I can't believe you would post a rumor like that, that could be so damaging and implicate cheating at UT, how dare you!!!!

Fair enough, abezontar!

[Hoop Fan]

I am not referring to transferring being a violation at all, and I am not being sarcastic. Rick Barnes cannot recruit players at other NCAA schools, I believe it is called tampering or something similar and would be a serious allegation. You could get Barnes in some serious trouble, if I were you I would confine your efforts to damaging Tubbs like everybody else around here.

[due]

there are many ways to gauge a player's interest without "recruiting". the opportunity was there, its really not a big deal. I just mentioned it to add to the debate of whether or not he could play at TX. IMO, he would have been a great addition - Barne's only problem in his tenure to date has been his penchant for bigger guards ( with the exception of TJ Ford). Big, stiff guards dont cant take you all the way in the NCAA tourney, you need improvisers

[Hoop Fan]

there are many ways to gauge a player's interest without "recruiting". the opportunity was there, its really not a big deal. I just mentioned it to add to the debate of whether or not he could play at TX. IMO, he would have been a great addition - Barne's only problem in his tenure to date has been his penchant for bigger guards ( with the exception of TJ Ford). Big, stiff guards dont cant take you all the way in the NCAA tourney, you need improvisers

I bet the 'opportunity' was there. And nothings a big deal when UT does it. The little things only matter alot when you are talking about other people. BHop is a good player, I wish he had a more capable and mature group around him here.

[abezontar]

That's a pretty serious allegation you are laying at the feet of our other players, that they aren't very mature or capable, I don't think you should be disparaging them like that, are you trying to make them quit or play with a lack of effort?

[Hoop Fan]

That's a pretty serious allegation you are laying at the feet of our other players, that they aren't very mature or capable, I don't think you should be disparaging them like that, are you trying to make them quit or play with a lack of effort?

I don't have the power to delete your rumor post, but i can see you are pouting about it. Learn the difference between opinion and rumor. By the way its not disparaging to suggest someone is not a mature, fully developed player. Should we not call them underclassmen, or use the word freshman either? And yes, my opinion is that the junior and senior classes taken as a collective group have not been capable enough. That is not disparaging to individuals either.

[abezontar]

I know full well the difference between the two. My point is that you were upset because I posted something without fact, and that it was negative toward someone in the athletic department. You have made comments about a readily discernible class that are negative in nature and unsupported by fact.

The difference between what I did and what you are doing now is that I readily admitted that the statment could be false and asked for others to either disprove or prove it, your statement can only be taken as truth, because no where do you aknowledge that it is opinion.

My goal in continuing to harass you is simply to get you to admit that there is very little if any difference between what you and I post every day, and the post I made this morning.

[Hoop Fan]

c'mon, I know you are defensive about this now and we all dig our heels in from time to time, but I already clearly said anybody could criticize Tubbs coaching ability all they want (dont expect me to agree). Case in point was the thread below titled 'Tubbs can't coach'. Did you see me say that should be deleted or not said? And no, it is not primarily a recruiting issue, it is an issue of an allegation of wrongdoing (not ineffectiveness) which affects a man's career and livlihood first and foremost.

[abezontar]

I can understand why you would feel that way if what we said here actually effected anything at the athletic department, or anything athletic department. This is the perfect place to discuss allegations of that nature because it is a place that no reasonable person is going to use to determine the a coach's ability. What we say here has zero effect other than to allow you and I to vent our frustrations, opinions, and yes rumors, because this is one of few places where we can say those things and know that they will have no effect.

Regardless of what turns up in the NCAA investigation, decisions about Tubbs's future at SMU or any other school will not be determined about what accusations or allegations are presented on this message board.

That is why I feel like so many of you missed the point with my post, we can say here what we think, hear, and have it validated or invalidated, but rather than validate or invalidate the rumor, it was somehow wrong to speak of the subject to begin with, that makes no sense whatsoever.

[Weir]

you guys keep saying how could these guys play on better teams when they shoot X percent at SMU....



that is my whole point. They play a bunch of 1 on 5 crap offense and still manage to shoot like 35%.

With the level of enthusiasm, effort, and disorginization, it is amazing to me that they manage to only be one game under .500.

[SMUPhil]

due,

Rick Barnes tried to get him to transfer there two years ago.

If Barnes was "trying" to get someone to transfer, I'd call that recruiting, just like "trying" to get a high school kid to come to SMU is recruiting. And yes, that would be a violation.