was that a horse collar?

by **Insane_Pony_Posse** » Sat Oct 27, 2018 9:41 pm

did the refs screw us on the non horse collar call near our bench that could have changed the game.....Sonny came unglued!

by **SMU_Alum11** » Sat Oct 27, 2018 9:46 pm

No it was a just a general pulling of pads around the neck area...

#GetOffYourKneesRefYoureBlowingTheGame

by **TidePony** » Sat Oct 27, 2018 9:48 pm

Yes, Yes, and Yes again. It was right in front of us. Also, these clowns I mean “refs” rarely called holding on Cincy (and they held all game). Horrible officiating.

by **DanFreibergerForHeisman** » Sat Oct 27, 2018 9:49 pm

Looked like a horse collar on the replay at Ford to me.

by **peruna81** » Sat Oct 27, 2018 10:06 pm

Insane_Pony_Posse wrote:did the refs screw us on the non horse collar call near our bench that could have changed the game.....Sonny came unglued!

There will be a nice letter that says "oops, we missed it"...or maybe a phone call...or maybe nothing at all.

We aren't Arkansas, or A&M. No BAS.
There is no conspiracy. SMU is not cursed.
Just a poorly officiated game.

by **ojaipony** » Sat Oct 27, 2018 10:42 pm

There were 3 glaring holding penalties missed. Scott was held twice and Hall was held once. We were getting good pressure and then they started holding and nothing called. Also, right in front of the refs, one of their D linemen clearly pushed X Jones's head right into the ground while he was getting up after the play and pushed it down again. No call, nothing.

by **Insane_Pony_Posse** » Sat Oct 27, 2018 10:57 pm

i feel like in the past maybe we blamed refs for losses when we most likely would not have won anyway....but today it seems the refs might have actually cost us the F-ing game....but not being able to run the ball certainly hurt us too

by **PonyPride** » Sat Oct 27, 2018 11:10 pm

From my spot on the sideline, it sure looked like a horsecollar. I guess the argument was that the defender grabbed a portion of the jersey near the collar. But it didn't look that way to me.

by **mrydel** » Sun Oct 28, 2018 7:36 am

PonyPride wrote:From my spot on the sideline, it sure looked like a horsecollar. I guess the argument was that the defender grabbed a portion of the jersey near the collar. But it didn't look that way to me.

The rule was changed last year to include the jersey.

by **Charleston Pony** » Sun Oct 28, 2018 8:03 am

mrydel wrote:
PonyPride wrote:From my spot on the sideline, it sure looked like a horsecollar. I guess the argument was that the defender grabbed a portion of the jersey near the collar. But it didn't look that way to me.

The rule was changed last year to include the jersey.

TV announcers commented that the rule had been changed. Just a missed call but you can mark that down along with about 10 other things that "cost" SMU this game.

by **JasonB** » Sun Oct 28, 2018 11:19 am

ojaipony wrote:There were 3 glaring holding penalties missed. Scott was held twice and Hall was held once. We were getting good pressure and then they started holding and nothing called. Also, right in front of the refs, one of their D linemen clearly pushed X Jones's head right into the ground while he was getting up after the play and pushed it down again. No call, nothing.

Scott was held all game long. Every time their QB escaped the pocket he was held to keep him from spinning out and containing. But even on standard pass rush he was held considerably.

by **03Mustang** » Sun Oct 28, 2018 1:00 pm

Agreed there were a lot of holding calls that were not made, including several blatant ones on the final drive.

Then again, we still win if we run the ball even remotely decent.

by **PonyTime** » Mon Oct 29, 2018 9:42 am

you can now vote on DMN on if that cost us the game.

Yes is winning 72%

Good Video here...ref right in front of it.

https://sportsday.dallasnews.com/college-sports/smumustangs/2018/10/27/vote-horse-collar-no-call-cost-smu-win-vs-cincinnati

Here is the New Rule defined - with a video clip that pretty much sums it up...

https://www.sbnation.com/college-football/2017/9/2/16218526/horse-collar-tackle-rule-ncaa-2017-change

All players are prohibited from grabbing the inside back collar of the shoulder pads or jersey, the area, or the inside collar of the side of the shoulder pads or jersey, and immediately pulling the ball carrier down. This does not apply to a ball carrier, including a potential passer, who is inside the tackle box.

For all of its existence, the rule has made it a penalty to reach inside the back of player’s jersey and yank him to the ground. Now, players also aren’t allowed to grab the outside of the jersey and pull the player down. The foul doesn’t require the tackler’s hand to slide inside the jersey and onto the bare shoulder pads of his opponent.

Just like before, a horse-collar tackle is a 15-yard personal foul and carries an automatic first down for the non-offending team.

First Down. Game Over.

by **PonyPride** » Mon Oct 29, 2018 7:38 pm

Yes, the rule changed. From my angle, i thought the guy got his hand inside the collar. But others had a better angle - hopefully that includes the officials

by **CA Mustang** » Mon Oct 29, 2018 10:45 pm

PonyPride wrote:Yes, the rule changed. From my angle, i thought the guy got his hand inside the collar. But others had a better angle - hopefully that includes the officials

To me, it didn't appear he grabbed the shoulder pads from the inside. But if grabbing any part of the jersey in that area is a penalty, then one should have been called.