DMN - Tubbs Investigation

[mrydel]

"According to multiple sources, a relative of one of the players has alleged that he gave coach Jimmy Tubbs money to pay for meals, which would be a NCAA violation. "


"Sources said Tubbs used his own money to buyhamburgers for freshmen Bamba Fall and Brian Morris."

" Tubbs declined comment. "


Anybody see the contradiction in the first two statements??????

I think that is the "he said/he said" argument. Different sources saying different things.

[Hoop Fan]

i agree, only at SMU. Has anyone ever heard of anything like this anywhere else?? Gotta wonder what is motivating Mr. Williams. We have no choice but to let the investigation finish and see what happens. He likes Tubbs, and his grandson continues to be on the team? Twilight Zone.

[DickerJames]

All I can say is WTF GRANDPA. If this is really about cheeseburgers then gramps has serious issues and just made life hell for his grandson. There is either more to this story or gramps really hates Tubbs. Who in their right mind whould instigate a NCAA investigation over cheeseburger money at their alma matter no less.

[EastStang]

I'll wait to see what the "bad things" Max Williams was talking about really are. But if it turns out that the only violation was a donation by a parent (or by Max) to a dinner fund for players while travelling then his grandson had better do the honorable thing and surrender his scholarship especially if we get tagged with a scholarship reduction sanction. Tubbs is no virgin here either. If he did do that, he needs to be a bit more circumspect in his dealings with parents by saying something like, if you don't trust how your kids are going to spend their money, don't make me your middle man, I'd like to help, but that's against the rules. We can't wet nurse these kids 24/7. I had a really short leash "allowance" from my parents. $10 per week for snacks, etc. My poor sister came to school right after me, and got the same allowance, boy did she scream bloody murder.

[abezontar]

I think there has to be more to the story, because even at SMU there wouldn't be this much fuss over a few cheeseburgers. Unless maybe the administration is looking for an excuse to get out of a hire they didn't want to make in the first place. There was a lot of pressure on Copeland by the Dallas community to hire Tubbs, Copeland may have felt that he had to hire Tubbs or risk losing any ties the University has to the Dallas recruiting pool. So he hires Tubbs, perhaps against the wishes of the administration and now the that Copeland is leaving, the administration, who might never have wanted Tubbs to begin with needs a reason to get rid of a second year coach (something most schools in their right mind wouldn't do) and blows an NCAA violation out of proportion.

Yes, there really are secret black ops helicopters following my every move.

[friarwolf]

Tubbs was the only guy to offer Williams a scholarship and a lot of people thought he was nuts to do so. Speculation was this scholarship was payback for the $1MM donation grandaddy made years back. Strange twist.......

[Corso]

.... Max Williams, a former SMU player, whose grandson, Matt, currently plays on the team, said he saw something he didn't like within the program and that he instigated the NCAA investigation into the men's basketball program.

From what I understand, that's why it was reported. By rule/policy (SMU's, NCAA's -- I don't know), outside allegations get reported. It could be jaywalking, and it will be reported.

.... NCAA bylaw 16.11.1.5 states that an individual of a member institution can buy an occasional meal for a student athlete or an entire team....

I didn't know this part. If that's the case, what is there to investigate? If a coach CAN, in fact, buy the occasional burger, it seems to me that's the end of this discussion, right? If it's legal, what is there to investigate?

[LA_Mustang]

It is so enjoyable being a fan of SMU athletics

[SoCal_Pony]

To me, here is the real story...

Given the fact that Mad Max is a former player, a financially successful individual, and by all indications a proud alumni of this University....

And given the fact that he must know the cataclysmic effect the DP had on our athletic program...

Why drag us through the mud another time?????? and for THIS????

[Hoop Fan]

I shouldn't say this, but it would imply what we already know: being rich and successful doesn't necessarily mean you are very bright.

[Pony_Fan]

Yes, So Cal - seems very strange based on what we know now. There has to be a lot more to it - and Mad Max has a hidden agenda. What's weird is the Matt didn't play this year and I believe had surgery before the season even started.

I just wonder why he was this involved if his kid wasn't playing yet. If there was a fund of some sort - why in the hell are you paying players of this caliber?

[mrydel]

Could he just be upset with the number of guards signed and on the bench to compete with his grandson next year. Surely he does not think we should automatically give a starting position to grandkid. This is all I can come up with. That or he is mad with the early commits and does not think they will contribute to a winning team. Even if true I can not comprehend turning in a program that you love dearly for minor infractions if any infraction at all.

[abezontar]

Good to know we aren't prejudging Mr. Williams.

[Hoop Fan]

i dont know, it sure doesnt make sense. But before you assume there must be something more to it, the DMN article says they have been investigating for a month and nothing major. I know we are on a witch hunt here Abe, but lets not let the few facts we have get in the way of assumptions.

[Stallion]

Jumping on an Alumnus for turning in what he felt were NCAA violations-I guess some things never change at SMU. This is a new age-just get the allegations out in the open-investigate it and then if its minor move on after a handslap. If its major-fire him and Move On. I applaud Mr. Williams for turning in violations if he indeed felt they occurred. Damn you guys sound like the same group of whinners who didn't want to get their heads out of the sand in the 1980s. Hopefully those days of reactive denial are over.