Cole Beasley making news

[Mustangs_Maroons]

I’m surprised there aren’t more physicians and medical professionals coming from SMU…they seem to know much more than seasoned experts.

No one has made one sensible argument for why they shouldn’t be vaccinated apart from it hasn’t been studied enough and made-up myths. There is enough to get the FDA and experts to say it’s safe. But no, many here know more.

Imagine if everyone had thought the same thing in 1954 when the rollout of Polio vaccines were carried out.

[HubbaHubba]

From 1930

[ponyboy]

I’m surprised there aren’t more physicians and medical professionals coming from SMU…they seem to know much more than seasoned experts.

argumentum ab auctoritate

[Mustangs_Maroons]

I’m surprised there aren’t more physicians and medical professionals coming from SMU…they seem to know much more than seasoned experts.

argumentum ab auctoritate

Sorry, but you are showing yourself to be totally offbase if you don’t understand there’s data behind the reasons for getting vaccinated. You say you don’t want to make it political but your political views cloud any sensible judgment you have, and you make factless claims around the virus and vaccination. No data will ever be enough for you if you fundamentally disagree against anything that goes against your biased opinion. Talk about illogical reasoning. Instead of appealing to authority, appeal to common sense!!

[ponyboy]

Not everything is freaking politics. Sigh.

Which of my claims is factless? I don’t even know if I’ve made any on this thread.

[ponyboy]

Sorry for the delay, couple long days in the lab.
1. No, there were animal trials, in 2 animal species (fulfilling the 2 animal rule, mouse and monkey). There were 3 phases of human trials.
2. Correct Moderna and JJ havent brought vaccines to market before. But they (particularly JJ) have brought drugs to market. A vaccine is not really different than a drug. Additionally, to bring it back to football Lincoln Riley had never been a head coach but had a strong record as an assistant. He's done OK right?
3. Yes previous Corona vaccines have not been successfully developed. They were underfunded and relied on old technology (usually just whole killed virus). The use of the "new" mRNA delivery allowed for a more targeted approach. I use the quotations on new as this technology has been used/developed in laboratories since at least 2005. There has not been enough funding/reason to roll them out in such a large scale. After these we no see multiple vax trials using this technology for other things including melanoma. The mRNA vaccines will work, if you have a properly exposed antibody target. Its been tried with Flu and HIV but there have not been good epitopes that are accessible to antibodies. Its not going to work for everything it does work for the COVID spike protein.
4 and 5. There is complete data that has been released to the FDA. It includes effective rates ~95%.
6. Someone could say there are financial incentives to overreport COVID numbers. Though looking through serum samples the antibody rate matches with case rates. If COVID was being over reported we wouldn't see the antibodies as prevalently as we see it in serum samples. The people doing the serum sample get nothing extra for finding COVID antibodies, its a yes/no question that doesn't get extra money for yes.

Additionally in a different post you mentioned young people/children being extremely resistant, (this may have to do with cross reactivity with other childhood coronaviruses) and cited data from August 2020. If you look at the rates of hospitalization per 100,000 in children those have been rising steadily since that point.

Sorry - just saw this. Thank you. I’ll try to digest your responses.

I will say this regarding your last point. Though children (0-17 years old) do account for about 20% of recent cases, it’s still the case that only about 300 have died, less than one tenth of one percent of all mortalities.

[ponyboy]

Fascinating article by Nicholas Wade on whether Covid-19 escaped from a lab. Wade is a British author and journalist. He has served as staff writer and editor for Nature, Science, and The New York Times.

https://thebulletin.org/2021/05/the-ori ... -at-wuhan/

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[JasonB]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1enhWlayMdo

[Charleston Pony]

Yes, journalists and scientists can debate the origin of this virus for years and I doubt there will ever be consensus but today's issue is dealing with it's various mutations and trying to prevent another spread that puts our country back into panic mode

[ponyboy]

Consensus is impossible. Regarding what actually happened, there’s really not much debate. Read the article.

[Dukie]

Consensus is impossible. Regarding what actually happened, there’s really not much debate. Read the article.

Please focus on the salient portion of the sentence that follows the “but,” and try not to quibble about one word in the far-less-relevant part before the “but.”

[malonish]

I've been vaccinated at the recommendation of my doctor due to a significant medical condition, but I understand those who do not wish to do so. According to the CDC "During this time, VAERS received 5,479 reports of death (0.0017%) among people who received a COVID-19 vaccine." To put that in context the number of deaths from the flu shot are 183 per year. 7 people have died from the Shingrex vaccine. And it is still possibly more problematic for teens with non lethal, but severe side effects. For young people, COVID-19 is apparently not very lethal. So, the choice for them is more nuanced. Yes, the risk is low, but for many the risk of dying from the disease is low as well. Pick your poison.

Oh, you mean the unfiltered and unverified VAERS where folks have reported turning into the Hulk? Good place to make a definitive conclusion...

[malonish]

I don't like the attack on Cole as "ignorant".

He's ignorant in that he is literally ignoring the wealth of data that shows that the cure is better than even the chance of the disease and all the politicized BS about the disease is causing a verifiable set of the population to choose not to take it due to misinformation and lies.

[malonish]

I will say this regarding your last point. Though children (0-17 years old) do account for about 20% of recent cases, it’s still the case that only about 300 have died, less than one tenth of one percent of all mortalities.

Every body, regardless of age, that carries it perpetuates it and mutates it. Any amount of deaths in any age group were and are preventable by a proven safe alternative.