SMU rarely gets it...

[McClown27]

since when does SMU have an absolute zero tolerance policy? Cavan was not fired over the Malin incident. Minor rules can get broken by just waking up in the morning. Dirty clothes happen. Either we had a mastermind plot regarding these violations or they are just random. If it has been proven that Tubbs did things systematically, then that would one thing. Nothing about this sounds systematic so far.

If Cavan had commited the violations, he would have been fired.

Isn't it time you give up on your facilities arguments until we change the model? That way, we will be more competitive and our coaches won't be tempted to cheat.

[jtstang]

3. Why is nobody paying attention to the fact that Williams essentially framed Tubbs?

Good question.

there have been plenty of references to this - witch hunt, etc.

Well then maybe the better question is why some people on this board are defending Max Williams, a well known non-friend of SMU.

[McClown27]

J.T.,

If Williams had not reported these violations and the NCAA had investigated, we would be dealing with a lot of sanctions. We would probably have lost the chance of postseason play and some scholarships. That is what happened at Minnesota after the Clem Haskins scandal.

You seem to think that recruiting violations are not a big deal and that SMU should not have investigated, but the SMU experience with the NCAA and its infractions committee proves otherwise.

[jtstang]

J.T.,

If Williams had not reported these violations and the NCAA had investigated, we would be dealing with a lot of sanctions. We would probably have lost the chance of postseason play and some scholarships. That is what happened at Minnesota after the Clem Haskins scandal.

You seem to think that revealed recruiting violations are not a big deal, the SMU experience with the NCAA proves otherwise.

And if Williams had notgiven the Burgergate money to Tubbs, there'd be one less violation to worry about. TRAITOR!!!

[friarwolf]

Once again guys, this national signing day has little significance to us. By far and large, all the high school kids committed last fall in the early period.

[couch 'em]

J.T.,

If Williams had not reported these violations and the NCAA had investigated, we would be dealing with a lot of sanctions.

The NCAA would not be investigating if not for Williams.

[McClown27]

J.T.,

If Williams had not reported these violations and the NCAA had investigated, we would be dealing with a lot of sanctions.

The NCAA would not be investigating if not for Williams.

Are you willing to take that risk again? If Williams had been a jerk, he would have gone straight to Dale Hansen. That way--by pulling a David Stanley--we would be in for a hell of a lot more than what is gonna happen now.

[couch 'em]

Are you willing to take that risk again? If Williams had been a jerk, he would have gone straight to Dale Hansen. That way--by pulling a David Stanley--we would be in for a hell of a lot more than what is gonna happen now.

Williams also created the "violations" by giving money to tubbs. This whole thing stinks like a setup.

[jtstang]

If Williams had been a jerk, he would have gone straight to Dale Hansen.

He is a jerk, of the highest order. He disliked the coach, and therefore orchestrated his firing.

[friarwolf]

Here's a scenario that I think we can all envision.

You have just been hired into your dream job - the one you have coveted and worked for your entire life. All you have to do is work hard, deliver results, and follow the contractual obligations set forth in the document. If you violate any part of your contract - no matter how big or small the violation - no matter if you violate only one or numerous clauses in your contract , doesn't matter how good you are at your job, how much people respect you, no matter how good a guy you are, no matter how much goodwill you have built - you will be terminated. Are you going to gamble on losing that coveted dream job by doing something that is a violation of your contract, might be a violation, listen and follow what somebody asks you to do even if it might result in a violation of the conditions of your contract?

If you choose to risk losing that coveted job by violating the conditions of your contract, who should you blame? [/list]

[Hoop Fan]

so are there substantiated major violations or not?

[friarwolf]

Nice attempt at a sidestep, hoop. Who do you blame???

[LA_Mustang]

I’m quite certain that Coach Tubbs never dreamed the grandfather of one of his players, who happens to be a booster of the program would give money to pay for a player’s meal and later report it to the NCAA. Then afterwards, tell the DMN that he's shocked Coach Tubbs was fired. That is about as low as it gets.
And yes, until I'm told otherwise, that is why he was fired.

[Hoop Fan]

Nice attempt at a sidestep, hoop. Who do you blame???

the only sidestep going on here appears to be on the part of SMU. I blame tubbs for the minor violations, but I sure would not fire him for those. No reasonable person would, unless they have another agenda. Now, are there major substantiated violations or not? Thats the key question.

[LA_Mustang]

And if there is more to tell, why hasn’t it been reported??? Don’t tell me we’re waiting until the NCAA concludes it investigation, because you don’t fire the coach before the investigation is complete.

Regardless of the outcome, SMU has mucked this up in the worst way and our basketball program is complete disarray. The lucky coach that inherits this mess will have a monumental task to win ten games next season, and probably the next.