Jimmy Tubbs...

[Hoop Fan]

At the end of Katz' article it says that Sampson thinks that Tubbs was fired not because of the violations, but because SMU wanted an excuse to let him go early. If Sampson is saying it, other coaches are thinking it. Here comes that 95 year old high school coach again.

If you read the article carefully, it says the impermissible phone calls were going on while Tubbs was at OU, too.

my understanding is that Tubbs has been cleared of any wrongdoing in the OU affair. Its not an issue for him. Thats Sampsons problem anyway. Furthermore, it still appears there are no major violations waiting to be uncovered at SMU. Tick tock, tick tock. Don't hold your breath folks.

[mrydel]

I just don't think Orsini is gonna come in here and lay an egg. He knows he has to get this right. It will be the first of many (hopefully) hires. He'll get us a good one. I think we've been lulled by a contagious complacency in Mustang athletics. A new day is dawning... get ready.

My gut still tells me they are working with Evans and probably trying to put together a good compensation package that will pay him appropriately. This is not rumor, but mere speculation due to a very quiet day on the rumor front.

I only hope that he does not have to count on transfer hours of classes he took at New Mexico to be eligible for the job.

[MustangIcon]

LA_Mustang, my last name is Iconos and my friends refer to me as Icon for short. Thats where the name comes from, no c0ckieness there.

Search old posts of mine if you would like to hear my differences in opinion with Tubbs' coaching style. I am not sure if you know more about basketball than I do or not. I would hope anyone who is an experienced D1 college coach would be more knowledgeable than the both of us combined. I think a different coach could have done more with that team. NCAA's-no. A .500 record- ABSOLUTELY.

East, I agree that we will have lost Hopkins and replaced him with practically noone. I am still willing to bet that in spite of that our new coach finishes no worse than Tubbs did this past season with Bhop. Please refer to my beer bet post, which is still a standing offer for anyone who would like to accept it.

[MustangIcon]

JT, I too would just prefer to hear the truth- whatever it may be. But fact of the matter is all we have been provided with is burgers, Cheer, too much practice time, and something about tutoring of players or whatever it was. Maybe in SMU's mind this was the best PR spin to put on it. I am not sure that it is. I just look at it as a means to an end. And if in the end we get a coach like Evans I will be more than happy with the results because SMU's basketball program will be better.

[Hoop Fan]

check your facts on what his record was last year. Also, you must be nucking futs if you are judging him by no ncaa appearances in two years. This job was all about rebuilding from the very start. We did not have even close to an ncaa caliber team. You're a young guy, seem to be a good fan, but get some perspective.

[EastStang]

We were less than .500 in our conference. From the games I saw and there were only a few, these are what I saw. A young team with two big men who were projects. Our big men had trouble holding on to no look passes. Why. Fall and Morris were freshmen. Ike a sophomore. Rack, improved, but still a work in progress. I saw that our big men did some good things, they tended keep their arms up instead of jumping. They didn't dribble often in the low post but turned and faced the basket. Hopkins clearly did not get his game back after the first semester lay off. In a year when he was to carry the scoring load, he did not get it done. Our defense improved about 8 points per game. We were in a lot of games due to our defense. I thought the team looked like they were learning and getting better. The younger players were showing good fundamentals. That's what I saw and I have played and coached a basketball admittedly not at the division 1 level.

[MustangIcon]

[/quote]I think a different coach could have done more with that team. NCAA's-no. A .500 record- ABSOLUTELY.[quote]

I meant that as: Could a different coach get us to the NCAA's?no. Could a different coach have had us playing .500 ball?ABSOLUTELY. Not in the way you interpretted it. Sorry for the confussion.

[jtstang]

JT, I too would just prefer to hear the truth- whatever it may be. But fact of the matter is all we have been provided with is burgers, Cheer, too much practice time, and something about tutoring of players or whatever it was. Maybe in SMU's mind this was the best PR spin to put on it. I am not sure that it is.

Dammn right it isn't. And what about Max F'ing Williams. Surely you cannot be happy with his rich, manipulative @ss working the strings of the puppets over on the Hilltop?? Hell, I think I'd be okay with Tubbs' losing his job if it also meant that pr!ck would be banned from SMU too.

[LA_Mustang]

Icon, I really dont care to go back and read your old posts.....just thought since you've brought it up about 50 times how bad of a coach Tubbs is in the past week, you might have a few reasons off the top of your head as to why you feel that way.

[MustangIcon]

I guess I am just less upset than the rest of you bc I did not feel like Tubbs was doing a good job as head coach. I see it as we got rid of Tubbs and we are working on bringing in someone better to improve the program. In my book thats an exciting thing bc I can't wait to see us get back to winning and building the program. Exactly how or why that transpired, I don't know. But at this point noone else outside the actual decision makers knows either, and we may never.

[jtstang]

Exactly how or why that transpired, I don't know. But at this point noone else outside the actual decision makers knows either, and we may never.

And that's okay with you. How sad.

[MustangIcon]

LA, I have yet to announce my interest in the head coaching position at SMU. When I do I'll be sure to come by your place and break down game footage for you of my observations. Until then, I welcome you to look at my old posts if you are that interested.

As for a few reasons as to why I feel that way. We were 4-10 in conference, 13-16 overall and the famous RPI of 260 something or whatever it was. Blogger might be able to help me out with the exact rank on that one.

[Danny Noonan]

My biggest complaint was local recruiting. Generally, when a new coach comes in there is an excitement in the air like there was with Tubbs. There's usually a two year honeymoon (see Bennett) with recruits where the coach can sell the future. At that time, he doesn't have a record to defend, and the sky is the limit for the program.

Tubbs came in with that excitement, and the backing of the local coaches, and delivered little to nothing in local recruiting. I imagine the administration saw the same thing, wondering as I was, if years one and two produced so little, how bad were years three and four going to be after two awful seasons?

Again, I don't think any coach should be canned after 2 years. I think the reasons are chicken****, or the withholding of the reasons is stupid. But I had my concerns, and evidently wasn't the only one. For whatever reason, the guys in charge decided the best thing to do was cut our losses and take the heat. I can only hope it was because they saw a window of opportunity with a certain coach or two. We've proven before that we're not always smart enough to have a plan, however.

[MustangIcon]

Exactly how or why that transpired, I don't know. But at this point noone else outside the actual decision makers knows either, and we may never.

And that's okay with you. How sad.

I find it funny you are outraged by the ethics involved in how Tubbs was fired yet have no qualms about the ethics involved in the fact that he did violate NCAA policies (regardless how minor they may be).

[Stallion]

Look if you had to grade Phil Bennett on Dallas recruiting he would get a D so far. I honestly think that Tubbs has been in on more Top Dallas talent than Bennett has during the same period and there is about 10 times as many great football players in Dallas as there are Basketball players. We were in competition for just about every top Basketball player in Dallas while Bennett struck out even getting his [deleted] in the Door of the Top Football players in Dallas.