Moral Majority

[McClown27]

no, I have been told by what I consider an unbiased source that Tubbs is not caught up in the OU thing and that had no bearing on SMUs decsion. Hey, its hearsay and take it for what its worth, but its better than just shooting from the hip like you are doing.

Pretty poor. I have only referenced known events. The infractions have been proven. We can dispute the severity of the infractions, but I am not making them up.

Who is your source close to the OU program?

[PonyPride]

Does it really matter at this point? JT is no longer our coach and that decision has been made.....it is time to move on!

Right on, PS.

[jtstang]

Pretty poor. I have only referenced known events. The infractions have been proven. We can dispute the severity of the infractions, but I am not making them up.

What infractions have been proven? I think you ARE making them up.

[McClown27]

Pretty poor. I have only referenced known events. The infractions have been proven. We can dispute the severity of the infractions, but I am not making them up.

What infractions have been proven? I think you ARE making them up.

Like I said, we can discuss the severity. It is lunacy to suggest that they did not occur. Tubbs has even admitted to committing the violations that have been released. I don't think he thought he would get fired for them, but then again , SMU didn't think fan attendance and team record would precipitiously decline during his tenure either.

[jtstang]

Pretty poor. I have only referenced known events. The infractions have been proven. We can dispute the severity of the infractions, but I am not making them up.

What infractions have been proven? I think you ARE making them up.

Like I said, we can discuss the severity. It is lunacy to suggest that they did not occur.

But you said they'd been PROVEN. I want to know what's been PROVEN.

[McClown27]

Monetary payouts from boosters and improper gifts.

[jtstang]

Monetary payouts from boosters and improper gifts.

What?? What evidence is there of any of that?

[McClown27]

Monetary payouts from boosters and improper gifts.

What?? What evidence is there of any of that?

Max Williams and Jimmy Tubbs both admitted to these infractions. Jimmy--like you--doesn't think it is a big deal, but he probably wishes he had that decision back.

[jtstang]

Monetary payouts from boosters and improper gifts.

What?? What evidence is there of any of that?

Max Williams and Jimmy Tubbs both admitted to these infractions. Jimmy--like you--doesn't think it is a big deal, but he probably wishes he had that decision back.

Oh, of course. Burgers and Cheer, burgers and Cheer.

BTW, Jimmy Tubbs got fired for his admission. Remind me what Max Williams got for his again?

[Stallion]

In order to enforce a termination or forfeiture of a contract a breach of that contrac t must be material. There is no way in hell a Court would have enforced a termination for cause based upon the incidental purchase of a cheeseburger and box of detergent. If its more than that it should divulged immediately. SMU because of its past owes its fan a duty of full disclosure about these violations.

[mrydel]

In order to enforce a termination or forfeiture of a contract a breach of that contrac t must be material. There is no way in hell a Court would have enforced a termination for cause based upon the incidental purchase of a cheeseburger and box of detergent. If its more than that it should divulged immediately. SMU because of its past owes its fan a duty of full disclosure about these violations.

I think your last sentence says the most. Personally I believe there is more than burgers and cheer. But apparently the powers that be have forgotten the fan base in this whole thing. For whatever reason, be it "we will fire for even the slightest transgression" or " there is more but we are keeping it to ourselves", the fans deserve to know. It is we that have suffered more than anyone else over the past 20 years. No one is paying me $300,000/year to see what happens. No one is paying me to coach losing records and get extensions. I want some full disclosure to the fan base on what is happening to MY University and why. Then I can move on with my life and either continue to cheer (no pun intended) or take a lesson from Jtstang and adopt another team.

[Hoop Fan]

I'm not so sure there is anything more than has now been reported mrydel. I'm gathering that SMU has a hypersensitive in-house legal guy. Apparently Tubbs didnt tell this guy what he wanted to hear in the way he wanted to hear it. Sounds like Tubbs got mad and very defensive maintaining his position. Might not be the way you deal with university counsel. Combine that with Max wanting you out and the situation teetered to untenable.

Now you have to blame Tubbs for not keeping his cool if thats what happened. But still, Max setup this situation and SMU failed to handle it with common sense and tact. Thats what is so ridiculous.

[jtstang]

Then I can move on with my life and either continue to cheer (no pun intended) or take a lesson from Jtstang and adopt another team.

Just for the record, adoption of another team does not require abandonment of your team. I still have hope, if not expectations, for the Mustangs.

[EastStang]

I think Stallion adopted Memphis, if I read the other thread correctly. At least in basketball. I agree with Stallion on the disclosure part. If there were major rules violations then we have already disclosed them to the NCAA and the NCAA will put them in its public findings, what's the harm at this point of letting the fans know what they are. If they were burgers, cheer, tutoring and an extra hour of free throws, then say that's all there was. The fans are waiting for the other shoe to drop. We've been down the death penalty road and not knowing creates more anxiety than knowing. And once the violations are out there for the world to see, it will help in a lot of ways. Clearly, the violations can't be as bad as Baylor's and all they lost was a non-conference schedule and seem to be recruiting everybody in sight. Fresno only lost post-season participation for one year after they hired Tark the Shark (which was like flipping a big bird at the NCAA), and then Lopes made too many phone calls. We also have Copeland retiring, so he can do mea culpas and take some of the rap. (I was sick and didn't monitor the situation like I should have) even if the violations were major.

[LA_Mustang]

McClown- just curious, what handle did you use before you changed it to McClown?