Big 12 makes deal

[FroggieFever]

Are you the former kicker or was that a different frog?

Different frog. Played but not a kicker. Am an advisor to Athletics (media rights and fundraising) outside of my day job.

(And, again, received my J.D. from SMU so I bleed red AND purple.)

[mrydel]

Are you the former kicker or was that a different frog?

Different frog. Played but not a kicker. Am an advisor to Athletics (media rights and fundraising) outside of my day job.

(And, again, received my J.D. from SMU so I bleed red AND purple.)

I met the former kicker. Always polite and informative with his posts, as you seem to be also. Nice guy. But I am still mad at Sonny and respectfully hate TCU.

[ponyboy]

Just to be clear, Dukie, I am a conservative Christian. I’m only saying it’s bad to be so because so much of the P5 power structure is not

Also, I’m not saying we were left behind because of who we are, as much as we won’t be lifted up because of it. We were left behind because of repeated stupidity combined with horrible timing.

I do hope we can find a place at the table.

[SMU_Alum11]

Just to be clear, Dukie, I am a conservative Christian. I’m only saying it’s bad to be so because so much of the P5 power structure is not

Also, I’m not saying we were left behind because of who we are, as much as we won’t be lifted up because of it. We were left behind because of repeated stupidity combined with horrible timing.

I do hope we can find a place at the table.

Isn't USC Christian? I would have said similar to us but they are much bigger but never the less: elitist (university of spoiled children), Christian and in a big metro area. It's something you could model after that does drive the P5 bus. ND is bigger than us but similar structure and drives conversations. There are private Christian universities that have political wield and I believe most sites in the ACC and Big 12. I really wish we would get an invite from the ACC but that will only happen if the SEC or Big10 try to poach Clemson, FSU.

[Mustangs_Maroons]

I’m curious about the whole Pac12 vs B12 comparison because I think the latter is losing a lot more without UT and OU than the the Pac12 losing USC and UCLA. Both are significant losses but that’s my opinion. To me the key to the PAC 12 is keeping Oregon and Washington, but who wouldn’t want to have Stanford part of their conference (for everything that Stanford provides, not only academics but across all of its sports programs)? I think the future PAC 12 is a better quality conference than the future B12. I’m not trying to say i wouldn’t love for SMU to be part of the B12 because of historical rivalries and much closer travel locations, but from the outside looking in, I think the sports networks (and Amazon) will value the PAC 12 equally or better than the new package the B12 just received, before it’s all said and done. We’ll see where SMU fits into this but given our administrations poor strategic vision and positioning, I’m not too optimistic.

[SoCal_Pony]

The problem with RGT is that he’s a failure at everything that matters

Academic ranking - Down
Endowment - Down
Football Championships - Zero
NCAA BB Tourney wins - Zero

Only bright moment in sports??? LB in BB, which through his own incompetency not only does he destroy, he also manages to get SMU a MUCH harsher penalty than UNC received for 20 yrs of more serious violations

And as CP said, RGT had zero foresight into the changing dynamics of College FB & TV revenues

The Stallion Model, which i fully endorsed for decades, was only implemented during the June Jones era. Even today, RGT has done nothing meaningful to promote SMU FB a la Mustang Mania.

I’ll end it on these 3 thoughts.

As I’ve stated over a decade ago…when i first found an SMU sports board…this was pre-PonyFans day and i think the site was called Mustang Maniacs…i was so happy as i thought i would find a community of hundreds of angry Stallions…to my surprise, Stallion the poster was actually in a minority with his views.

Secondly, i think Forrest Gregg was a coward and someone who did a great disservice to SMU athletics. Sure, we cheated under Meyers, Collins and countless others….but if Forrest gave his word that SMU wouldn’t cheat, his integrity was such that we WOULDN’T. Yet he went along with the charade and fielded teams that could never ever be competitive. He should have been a voice for change and reason, instead he was more of a water boy. Somehow, perversely, Miracle on Mockingbird became folklore. My goodness, as a STUDENT during the Pony Express days i witnessed 30 games more meaningful than Miracle.

Finally, call me highly skeptical about Frog ‘inside information’ shared on this site. If he’s saying it here, he’s saying it in other places as well. Given today’s social media, if his ‘info’ was legit, if it had any legs, we would have heard about it from other sources. I follow Twitter, including the ‘4 corner’ sites + PAC sites. Not hearing anything meaningful at any of these places. My own opinion???….too many fans on sports sites kinda idiotically think decisions are based on how their FB teams are performing. Problem with that thinking is at the end of the day, final decisions are made by academic Presidents of universities with IQs of 130 and not FB coaches with IQs of 100. Education, Research, who you are associated with academically carriers more weight than 60,000 screaming fans at Stillwater 6 times a year. With our location and NIL, i haven’t given up hope.

[SoCal_Pony]

I’m curious about the whole Pac12 vs B12 comparison because I think the latter is losing a lot more without UT and OU than the the Pac12 losing USC and UCLA. Both are significant losses but that’s my opinion. To me the key to the PAC 12 is keeping Oregon and Washington, but who wouldn’t want to have Stanford part of their conference (for everything that Stanford provides, not only academics but across all of its sports programs)? I think the future PAC 12 is a better quality conference than the future B12. I’m not trying to say i wouldn’t love for SMU to be part of the B12 because of historical rivalries and much closer travel locations, but from the outside looking in, I think the sports networks (and Amazon) will value the PAC 12 equally or better than the new package the B12 just received, before it’s all said and done. We’ll see where SMU fits into this but given our administrations poor strategic vision and positioning, I’m not too optimistic.

Oregon, Washington and of course Cal & Berkeley are much better academically than anything the B12 has. SMU, even with our crappy ranking, is better than anything in the B12.

To me it’s a no-brainer….I’d rather be in the PAC (assuming they survive)

[Mustangs_Maroons]

I’m curious about the whole Pac12 vs B12 comparison because I think the latter is losing a lot more without UT and OU than the the Pac12 losing USC and UCLA. Both are significant losses but that’s my opinion. To me the key to the PAC 12 is keeping Oregon and Washington, but who wouldn’t want to have Stanford part of their conference (for everything that Stanford provides, not only academics but across all of its sports programs)? I think the future PAC 12 is a better quality conference than the future B12. I’m not trying to say i wouldn’t love for SMU to be part of the B12 because of historical rivalries and much closer travel locations, but from the outside looking in, I think the sports networks (and Amazon) will value the PAC 12 equally or better than the new package the B12 just received, before it’s all said and done. We’ll see where SMU fits into this but given our administrations poor strategic vision and positioning, I’m not too optimistic.

Oregon, Washington and of course Cal & Berkeley are much better academically than anything the B12 has. SMU, even with our crappy ranking, is better than anything in the B12.

To me it’s a no-brainer….I’d rather be in the PAC (assuming they survive)

I would love for SMU to be part of the PAC 12. Imagine playing Oregon, WashU, Stanford, and the rest of the schools. The PAC 12 can add San Diego State, Fresno, SMU, and I would add Tulane (to add both DFW and Louisiana as a schedule destination for the Pac12 schools).

[Dukie]

Just to be clear, Dukie, I am a conservative Christian. I’m only saying it’s bad to be so because so much of the P5 power structure is not

Also, I’m not saying we were left behind because of who we are, as much as we won’t be lifted up because of it. We were left behind because of repeated stupidity combined with horrible timing.

I do hope we can find a place at the table.

Yes, I know what you are.

No one will come saying “hey let’s add a school that has/had religious ties.” No one is going to run away from it, either—Baylor or BYU would be a bridge too far for the PAC; SMU isn’t.

[crispy_taco]

I agree with SoCal regarding the “insider information”. I swear these people get off on coming on message boards and pretending they have insider information because their buddy’s brother in law told them something and “he’s and insider”. All that aside my dad went to ole miss and that side of my family is all crazy arse ole miss fans and they hate RGT still. Say he’s a loser who tried to kill ole miss football. I think the 25+ years of turner is what has really done us in (or out I guess). If turner had it his way SMU would probably not even have intramurals. More like a European university model.

The only solution I see is the Houston track. BMD will have to step up and buy their way into a conference like Tillman fertitta basically did. Annoy the crap out of the conferences too until they let you in like he did. I’m not saying the BMDs should do this as I wouldn’t want to spend my money that way. But if getting into a conference is what they want then that’s what it’s going to take

[redpony]

Crispy- I agree with your comments about cougar high. The problem is that although we have some BMDs none of them match TF for his aggressiveness and desire when is comes to us getting into a better conference.

RGT is responsible for our lackluster acceptance into better conferences He does not support athletics. He has had over 25 years to cure the ills imposed by Pye and has done very little to make us an attractive acquisition to a P5 conference.

[EastStang]

We have two NFL owners, one in SEC/B12 Country, one in B1G country. We should have beaten Maryland which has a winning record in the Big Ten. We hung in there with TCU who is in the Top 10. And we played close with Cincy and were one two point conversion away from going to OT. I don't think we'd finish last in any conference that would have us (except the SEC). Also, better competition will draw more fans. More people will want to see Cal than USF. Our only real conference draws are Houston and Navy and we lose Houston.

[FroggieFever]

Are you the former kicker or was that a different frog?

Different frog. Played but not a kicker. Am an advisor to Athletics (media rights and fundraising) outside of my day job.

(And, again, received my J.D. from SMU so I bleed red AND purple.)

I met the former kicker. Always polite and informative with his posts, as you seem to be also. Nice guy. But I am still mad at Sonny and respectfully hate TCU.

I appreciate it.

I think I know who you are talking abt and, yes, he is a quality individual.

[mtrout]

The problem with RGT is that he’s a failure at everything that matters

Academic ranking - Down
Endowment - Down
Football Championships - Zero
NCAA BB Tourney wins - Zero

Only bright moment in sports??? LB in BB, which through his own incompetency not only does he destroy, he also manages to get SMU a MUCH harsher penalty than UNC received for 20 yrs of more serious violations

And as CP said, RGT had zero foresight into the changing dynamics of College FB & TV revenues

The Stallion Model, which i fully endorsed for decades, was only implemented during the June Jones era. Even today, RGT has done nothing meaningful to promote SMU FB a la Mustang Mania.

I’ll end it on these 3 thoughts.

As I’ve stated over a decade ago…when i first found an SMU sports board…this was pre-PonyFans day and i think the site was called Mustang Maniacs…i was so happy as i thought i would find a community of hundreds of angry Stallions…to my surprise, Stallion the poster was actually in a minority with his views.

Secondly, i think Forrest Gregg was a coward and someone who did a great disservice to SMU athletics. Sure, we cheated under Meyers, Collins and countless others….but if Forrest gave his word that SMU wouldn’t cheat, his integrity was such that we WOULDN’T. Yet he went along with the charade and fielded teams that could never ever be competitive. He should have been a voice for change and reason, instead he was more of a water boy. Somehow, perversely, Miracle on Mockingbird became folklore. My goodness, as a STUDENT during the Pony Express days i witnessed 30 games more meaningful than Miracle.

Finally, call me highly skeptical about Frog ‘inside information’ shared on this site. If he’s saying it here, he’s saying it in other places as well. Given today’s social media, if his ‘info’ was legit, if it had any legs, we would have heard about it from other sources. I follow Twitter, including the ‘4 corner’ sites + PAC sites. Not hearing anything meaningful at any of these places. My own opinion???….too many fans on sports sites kinda idiotically think decisions are based on how their FB teams are performing. Problem with that thinking is at the end of the day, final decisions are made by academic Presidents of universities with IQs of 130 and not FB coaches with IQs of 100. Education, Research, who you are associated with academically carriers more weight than 60,000 screaming fans at Stillwater 6 times a year. With our location and NIL, i haven’t given up hope.

What's the Stallion model?

[ponyboy]

Tell a bunch of insightful truths, be a basic jacka$s to almost everyone, never admit those few times you are wrong, and then quit when you get caught on a big crow-eating malprediction.