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[SMUstang]

First we were in the SWC and it was killed off. Then we were in the WAC and it was killed off. Then we were in the Big East and it was killed off. We were considered by the PAC and it was killed off. Now we want in the ACC and it is doomed in a few years. WeΓÇÖll never be invited by the Big10 or the SEC, they donΓÇÖt even want any of the Big12, so whatΓÇÖs the point? We are at least in a conference that is somewhat stable. We earn $7 M per year. We have a good media contract, and good leadership, we may be in the best spot we can be in. Should we give that up? We may not even have that option. But if we do, is it wise to give up what we have? Or is it better to dominate the conference weΓÇÖre in?

[Red Dragon Coog]

First we were in the SWC and it was killed off. Then we were in the WAC and it was killed off. Then we were in the Big East and it was killed off. We were considered by the PAC and it was killed off. Now we want in the ACC and it is doomed in a few years. WeΓÇÖll never be invited by the Big10 or the SEC, they donΓÇÖt even want any of the Big12, so whatΓÇÖs the point? We are at least in a conference that is somewhat stable. We make $7 M per year. We have a good media contract, and good leadership, we may be in the best spot we can be in. Should we give that up? We may not even have that option. But if we do, is it wise to give up what we have? Or is it better to dominate the conference weΓÇÖre in?

UH becoming a P5 school literally broke your administration and especially your donors. Hence whynthe desperate push for the Pac 12 and now the even more desperate push for the ACC.

Joining a P5 conference for free is completely unprecedented but SMU has gone full desperate, creepy stalker mode for ANYTHING.

[Topper]

First we were in the SWC and it was killed off. Then we were in the WAC and it was killed off. Then we were in the Big East and it was killed off. We were considered by the PAC and it was killed off. Now we want in the ACC and it is doomed in a few years. WeΓÇÖll never be invited by the Big10 or the SEC, they donΓÇÖt even want any of the Big12, so whatΓÇÖs the point? We are at least in a conference that is somewhat stable. We make $7 M per year. We have a good media contract, and good leadership, we may be in the best spot we can be in. Should we give that up? Or should we dominate that conference?

The landscape is ever changing now and undoubtedly there will be 2 super power conferences and everyone else. We need to be with the best of everyone else and the AAC with the likes of UNT will not fit that description. Stable conference? So what. I don't even know the mascots of some of the current AAC members. Good media contract? Not really. And even if we dominate the AAC there are other conferences such as the MWC that will be considered just as good or better. Once the SEC and B1G gobble up most of the playoff spots we will fight for the crumbs with the likes of SDSU and Oregon State probably. Playing against ACC competition will lift us in the polls if we find success.

[Topper]

First we were in the SWC and it was killed off. Then we were in the WAC and it was killed off. Then we were in the Big East and it was killed off. We were considered by the PAC and it was killed off. Now we want in the ACC and it is doomed in a few years. WeΓÇÖll never be invited by the Big10 or the SEC, they donΓÇÖt even want any of the Big12, so whatΓÇÖs the point? We are at least in a conference that is somewhat stable. We make $7 M per year. We have a good media contract, and good leadership, we may be in the best spot we can be in. Should we give that up? We may not even have that option. But if we do, is it wise to give up what we have? Or is it better to dominate the conference weΓÇÖre in?

UH becoming a P5 school literally broke your administration and especially your donors. Hence whynthe desperate push for the Pac 12 and now the even more desperate push for the ACC.

Joining a P5 conference for free is completely unprecedented but SMU has gone full desperate, creepy stalker mode for ANYTHING.

You do realize that the reason SMU is being blackballed by Baylor and TCU rather than Houston is because they have nothing to fear from Houston?

[EastStang]

It's last call. You have two choices, the 500 pound person or the plain person. Who do you pursue? Some would go after the 500 pounder, a sure thing. Others would pursue the plain one, more risk of getting nothing, but some things you just can't do. The new AAC is kind of like the 500 pounder to me. Adding UNT and UNCC were not good additions and water down the conference. When FSU and Clemson and perhaps others leave, I hope the ACC adds Navy and perhaps Tulane. I like them a lot.

[Topper]

It's last call. You have two choices, the 500 pound person or the plain person. Who do you pursue? Some would go after the 500 pounder, a sure thing. Others would pursue the plain one, more risk of getting nothing, but some things you just can't do. The new AAC is kind of like the 500 pounder to me. Adding UNT and UNCC were not good additions and water down the conference. When FSU and Clemson and perhaps others leave, I hope the ACC adds Navy and perhaps Tulane. I like them a lot.

Crude but reasonable.

[Graceland Tar Heel]

It's last call. You have two choices, the 500 pound person or the plain person. Who do you pursue? Some would go after the 500 pounder, a sure thing. Others would pursue the plain one, more risk of getting nothing, but some things you just can't do. The new AAC is kind of like the 500 pounder to me. Adding UNT and UNCC were not good additions and water down the conference. When FSU and Clemson and perhaps others leave, I hope the ACC adds Navy and perhaps Tulane. I like them a lot.

A whole lot of us, ACC football fans as well as school administrators and coaches, have hope that the ACC can come out of this unscathed, or at worst losing only FSU, and clearly the #3 league in terms of TV deal and in terms of TV viewership fort football - and that means the best basketball league and clearly the 2nd best baseball league and pushing the SEC for #1.

FSU has a history of responding to tough things like some damned panicky girl. It is a reason that FSU has never built its own solid base with all that football success under Bowden. There is no sound long range seeing of big pictures, so FSU has a history of many rash decisions that bite them in the butt. So it is not a given that FSU will keep pushing until it gets out of the ACC.

Hopefully, things will get settled fairly quickly now, and we can calm everyone and proceed. If FSU leaves, USF (which is now an AAU school) can replace it as a 2nd FL school.

[Graceland Tar Heel]

First we were in the SWC and it was killed off. Then we were in the WAC and it was killed off. Then we were in the Big East and it was killed off. We were considered by the PAC and it was killed off. Now we want in the ACC and it is doomed in a few years. WeΓÇÖll never be invited by the Big10 or the SEC, they donΓÇÖt even want any of the Big12, so whatΓÇÖs the point? We are at least in a conference that is somewhat stable. We earn $7 M per year. We have a good media contract, and good leadership, we may be in the best spot we can be in. Should we give that up? We may not even have that option. But if we do, is it wise to give up what we have? Or is it better to dominate the conference weΓÇÖre in?

The ACC is not doomed, even as a Major conference. And I think more people around college athletics are realizing how awful it would be to have just 2 Major conferences.

[ROCKNEPONY]

Is it desperation? or negotiation?  It seems Stanfords leadership understands what SMUs leadership knows about creating value in a negotiation.   The ACC schools have to have strong reasons to expand beyond the East Coast.

See Stanfords willingness to forgo payments as well. They will likely get 30% but they offered zero.

Houston, Baylor, tcu all know recruiting against SMU will be an uphill battle if SMU gets into the ACC.  This is the real reason the BIG 12 friendly press machine and the alumni of those schools are both anxious and very negative.

article:
"Stanford informed ACC it would be open to joining for no payout"

https://frontofficesports.com/stanfords ... ed%20Press.

[deepellumfrog]

Ted

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First we were in the SWC and it was killed off. Then we were in the WAC and it was killed off. Then we were in the Big East and it was killed off. We were considered by the PAC and it was killed off. Now we want in the ACC and it is doomed in a few years. WeΓÇÖll never be invited by the Big10 or the SEC, they donΓÇÖt even want any of the Big12, so whatΓÇÖs the point? We are at least in a conference that is somewhat stable. We earn $7 M per year. We have a good media contract, and good leadership, we may be in the best spot we can be in. Should we give that up? We may not even have that option. But if we do, is it wise to give up what we have? Or is it better to dominate the conference weΓÇÖre in?

This screed makes it seem like you guys are the Ted McGinley of college football.

[SMUstang]

Greed is the reason college football is doomed. Someone else is making more $$$ than us. We have to decide if this is an amateur sport or a semi-pro sport. The NCAA should never have given in and created autonomous conferences or a differential between FBS and FCS.. The result is obvious, no rivalries, no regional conferences, it's dog eat dog. Does anybody care about the student athletes who aren't football players? Maybe the Ivy league got it right.

[Topper]

Greed is the reason college football is doomed. Someone else is making more $$$ than us. We have to decide if this is an amateur sport or a semi-pro sport. The NCAA should never have given in and created autonomous conferences or a differential between FBS and FCS.. The result is obvious, no rivalries, no regional conferences, it's dog eat dog. Does anybody care about the student athletes who aren't football players?

Georgia and Oklahoma put in motion the forces that are destroying college football when they sued to have control of their own TV deals. We all know how much integrity the entertainment media possesses and now they run the whole circus.

[93Mustang]

Here's the deal, SMU knows better than any school the cost of being kicked out of the club. Maintaining some semblance of D1 sports remains important to the school to be considered with applicants interested in great colleges like Stanford, Northwestern, ND, USC, Vanderbilt, Duke, Wake Forest among others. If we are fortunate enough to have donors who will float the cost of getting us into the ACC, it would be game changing for the future of the school even if some of the ACC eventually leaves for the Big 10 or SEC. Compare an ACC without FSU, Clemson, UNC, and maybe VT, Miami, or UVA (although there don't seem to be enough spots for all of them in the Big 2 (Big 10 and SEC) - you'd have a conference with Wake, Duke, NC State, BC, Syracuse, GT, Stanford, Cal, Louisville, and SMU under the worst scenario. Predominantly, great schools, attracting great students and placing their graduates into great careers. Compare that to the watered down, post UT/OU Big 12. I know the schools I'd rather have SMU compared against and compete against. And, the beauty is that TCU and Baylor, the two Big 12 schools most opposed to us getting into the Big 12 which would make the most geographic sense (and what SMU probably always wanted the most) will be associated with schools of far lower quality, and I don't think you can overestimate the decline of the Big 12 once UT and OU are gone.

If the ACC deal happens (as an SMU graduate and long suffering fan I'm not holding my breath), it will be worth the investment and it would be a priceless gift to the school by the people willing to fund it.

[ShantyBoy]

Amen and amen. Could not have said it any better.

[Dukie]

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First we were in the SWC and it was killed off. Then we were in the WAC and it was killed off. Then we were in the Big East and it was killed off. We were considered by the PAC and it was killed off. Now we want in the ACC and it is doomed in a few years. WeΓÇÖll never be invited by the Big10 or the SEC, they donΓÇÖt even want any of the Big12, so whatΓÇÖs the point? We are at least in a conference that is somewhat stable. We earn $7 M per year. We have a good media contract, and good leadership, we may be in the best spot we can be in. Should we give that up? We may not even have that option. But if we do, is it wise to give up what we have? Or is it better to dominate the conference weΓÇÖre in?

This screed makes it seem like you guys are the Ted McGinley of college football.

That's hilarious. And hopefully his being on "Shrinking" from the start will end Ted's streak of killing shows.