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[Graceland Tar Heel]

I have not been enamored with Rice because of that lack of commitment issue, but the idea of potentially establishing an ACC presence in Houston to challenge the b12 and coog high does make me giggle a little.

I think Rice essentially gave up ever being in another Major conference when the SWC died. So now it is much too far behind to add.

[Graceland Tar Heel]

SMU fans: If this gets done, and at some point the ACC wants to add another TX school, which one would you prefer and why?

I would like Rice to be the Texas partner but I don’t feel they are as committed to athletics. If I had to choose one from the conference, it would be Tulane.

I asked about TX schools because I want to know what SMU fans think f their former SWC rivals in terms of potential league rivals once again. But Tulane is interesting because it was a charter and long time member oft the SEC, and Louisiana a is state filled with football talent and would be new to the ACCN.

[PonyME]

Whether the ACC dream comes true or not, I’d like to continue our rivalry with Houston. We’ve seen glimmers of a true rivalry in both football and basketball in the AAC and it only makes sense to have a Dallas v Houston rivalry front and center. Plus we enjoy playing teams that we can hang 77 on.

[HailToPitt725]

It’s sounding more and more likely that SMU, along with Cal and Stanford, will be accepted into the ACC by the end of the week. What great additions all three schools will be to our conference. Very appreciative of the Mustangs willing to forego their media payout, and I’m personally excited to visit the University Park campus when Pitt visits for the first time.

[indianmustang]

from Clemson forum
https://www.tigernet.com/clemson-forum/ ... 1?tstart=0

[mtrout]

from Clemson forum
https://www.tigernet.com/clemson-forum/ ... 1?tstart=0

Looks like a moronathon over there.

[orguy]

SMU fans: If this gets done, and at some point the ACC wants to add another TX school, which one would you prefer and why?

Rice. Like their stadium.

[crazy horse]

Rice is a no-go until they show something other than investing in tarps. Maybe SMUs move to the ACC, and their arrival in the AAC will do something to their leadership/alums and wake that school up. It is a very small university, and they may be content to remain that way.

I agree with others, in the area, its probably Tulane. In Texas, UTSA is likely the school to watch as a possible down the road expansion target. Or maybe even a disgruntled Houston - I just don't see a long and happy life for the Big 12. It reminds me so much of our WAC16 experience. Maybe I'm wrong.

The Clemson board reminds me of a few other boards I have read. They are stuck in the ACC and their primary complaint is revenue. They are presented with a plan that does increase (slightly) income, and has performance incentives as well, since they believe they "carry" the conference - boy does that sound familiar. They make it clear they want out of the conference because they "deserve" BIG or SEC money, yet they agreed to the GOR and the revenue through 2036. Hopefully I have all that correct.

So the leadership presents literally the only option that opens new markets and time zones, with the best available expansion targets, and "slightly" increases income, yet this is unacceptable because they want out of the conference, and/or BIG money.

Its like arguing with a toddler.

It seems like there are only two options:
A. Slightly more money with expansion + incentives for success. Maybe this results in even more revenue and exposure than expected and helps their brand.
OR
B. Do nothing, get the same revenue as before, and pout even more because they cannot leave.

Don't forget the intangibles:
Recruiting access - TX CA, media coverage in 4th and 10th largest metro areas, better access to a combined 67 fortune 1000 companies, reconnect with alums/fans/donors around the country, and better national awareness. They are big brands, but far more regional than they think. It would behoove them to embrace the opportunity to show their "flag" in different parts of the country for fans, media, and especially the voters.
How does being associated with some of the top academic schools in the country help the academic side? More research dollars? More applications outside of the Atlantic coast. Higher quality applicants? More out-of-state revenue for the university?

Football drives the bus, but there are larger considerations. I assume the decisions will be made by Presidents, not message board fans.

[Graceland Tar Heel]

from Clemson forum
https://www.tigernet.com/clemson-forum/ ... 1?tstart=0

Looks like a moronathon over there.

You ought to be able to read FSU fans. They make Clemson fans seem rational and realistic. FSU fans are like Texas fast, but their schools was a Girls College until World War II, and they have no money on their own and much less politcal power in FL than UF though FSU is located in the state capital. So they are like Texas fans but crazier.

[Graceland Tar Heel]

Rice is a no-go until they show something other than investing in tarps. Maybe SMUs move to the ACC, and their arrival in the AAC will do something to their leadership/alums and wake that school up. It is a very small university, and they may be content to remain that way.

I agree with others, in the area, its probably Tulane. In Texas, UTSA is likely the school to watch as a possible down the road expansion target. Or maybe even a disgruntled Houston - I just don't see a long and happy life for the Big 12. It reminds me so much of our WAC16 experience. Maybe I'm wrong.

The Clemson board reminds me of a few other boards I have read. They are stuck in the ACC and their primary complaint is revenue. They are presented with a plan that does increase (slightly) income, and has performance incentives as well, since they believe they "carry" the conference - boy does that sound familiar. They make it clear they want out of the conference because they "deserve" BIG or SEC money, yet they agreed to the GOR and the revenue through 2036. Hopefully I have all that correct.

So the leadership presents literally the only option that opens new markets and time zones, with the best available expansion targets, and "slightly" increases income, yet this is unacceptable because they want out of the conference, and/or BIG money.

Its like arguing with a toddler.

It seems like there are only two options:
A. Slightly more money with expansion + incentives for success. Maybe this results in even more revenue and exposure than expected and helps their brand.
OR
B. Do nothing, get the same revenue as before, and pout even more because they cannot leave.

Don't forget the intangibles:
Recruiting access - TX CA, media coverage in 4th and 10th largest metro areas, better access to a combined 67 fortune 1000 companies, reconnect with alums/fans/donors around the country, and better national awareness. They are big brands, but far more regional than they think. It would behoove them to embrace the opportunity to show their "flag" in different parts of the country for fans, media, and especially the voters.
How does being associated with some of the top academic schools in the country help the academic side? More research dollars? More applications outside of the Atlantic coast. Higher quality applicants? More out-of-state revenue for the university?

Football drives the bus, but there are larger considerations. I assume the decisions will be made by Presidents, not message board fans.

The problem with FSU, which is not nearly as bad as with Clemson, is that the Board has a whole bunch of total idiots who judge all things by how much sports money FSU has compared to UF. It does not matter to them the smallest one bit that ACC membership literally has rated FSAUY from being seen as nearly an open admission state U to being now widely assumed on the cusp of an AAU invite. All they care about is the UF sports war coffers, and they blame the ACC that they do not have one equal.

The Clemson problem is faulty recalling old AC compliant, literal;y from the earliest days, and seeing them as alive today while also forgetting how the ACC saved Clemson football from being always the state government toy of SoCar. Clemson always had better football, back to the pre SoCon days. SoCar used its power with sate government too face all football,, games between the 2 schools to be played in Columbia, state capital and home of the University of South Carolina. It was the ACC that forced SoCar to stop that. That was the first thing that made SoCar dislike the ACC. Clemson fans almost never recall those things. All they recall is that they think it was unfair that 'all' the basketball glory was among NC schools and they have been held down financially by ACC football not being good enough.

[mtrout]

from Clemson forum
https://www.tigernet.com/clemson-forum/ ... 1?tstart=0

Looks like a moronathon over there.

You ought to be able to read FSU fans. They make Clemson fans seem rational and realistic. FSU fans are like Texas fast, but their schools was a Girls College until World War II, and they have no money on their own and much less politcal power in FL than UF though FSU is located in the state capital. So they are like Texas fans but crazier.

Seems like they think if the ACC adds teams then it "locks them in" for longer.

[EastStang]

FSU was independent for many years. They begged the SEC which wouldn't take them. The ACC took them and GT when Clemson complained that the ACC football brand needed improvement. When the three of them complained, the U and VT were added (with Virginia Tech barely making the cut). The fact is where will FSU and Clemson go? Will the SEC put two schools in Florida and South Carolina like the have in Tennessee, Alabama and Texas? Florida maybe. SC, probably not. Will they go independent? What kind of TV contract would that generate for them? Not ND numbers. Who would play them in October and November? What is their endgame?

[indianmustang]

from Clemson forum
https://www.tigernet.com/clemson-forum/ ... 1?tstart=0

Looks like a moronathon over there.

You ought to be able to read FSU fans. They make Clemson fans seem rational and realistic. FSU fans are like Texas fast, but their schools was a Girls College until World War II, and they have no money on their own and much less politcal power in FL than UF though FSU is located in the state capital. So they are like Texas fans but crazier.

do you have a link to the forum.
also whats the forum link for tarheels

[indianmustang]

https://twitter.com/PeteThamel/status/1 ... 9665472642

[Dukie]

Here are the two most relevant Duke threads ("PAC Implosion" is all recent, of course; "Conference Realignment" goes back years but the last few pages are recent).

https://forums.dukebasketballreport.com ... ftershocks

https://forums.dukebasketballreport.com ... nt-2022-23