What a liar

[Hoop Fan]

You don't think you "overestimated and overstated" Tubbs' ability to get local recruits?

I am not going to say another word. Anybody that reads those posts knows I don't have to. The point is obvious.

overstated his ability? No. What about this can't you comprehend? Tubbs had the ability and still has the ability. Got it? He was in on several big local recruits in his short stay here that Dement never would have been in on and Doh wont be. Understand yet? Did he land the monster yet? No. Dez was top 75 nationally. Not bad, in fact a damn good pickup. Bamba looks pretty promising, and maybe you dont realize it but Bamba is basically a Dallas recruit who played on Team Texas in AAU ball. You're a sad little man.

[ponydawg]

Hoop, if you are being consistent, then get excited, we just landed a pipe dream of a coach in your own words.

"Matt Doherty and other pipe dreams aside"

Not trying to be an a-hole, because to a degree I believe what you are saying, but I don't think it is as bad as what you think or as good as what others claim.

I am thrilled about the hire and think that Doherty can help SMU get back on the map with the help of Steve O.

[NickSMU17]

Bamba looks pretty promising, and maybe you dont realize it but Bamba is basically a Dallas recruit who played on Team Texas in AAU ball



If you read above, this is where we talk about club ball being way more important than High school basketball and that being in with clubs and club coaches ( and Sponsers) is the realistic way of getting recruits.

[Hoop Fan]

Hoop, if you are being consistent, then get excited, we just landed a pipe dream of a coach in your own words.

"Matt Doherty and other pipe dreams aside"

Not trying to be an a-hole, because to a degree I believe what you are saying, but I don't think it is as bad as what you think or as good as what others claim.

I am thrilled about the hire and think that Doherty can help SMU get back on the map with the help of Steve O.

How many times have I said since last week that Doherty is a good candidate for SMU? Maybe Blog can count them for you if he is being intellecually honest. But he won't. For about the 50th time now: Doherty was a good fit for SMU, is a good fit for SMU and I wish him luck. There are multiple facets to this situation though. I do not like the circumstances in which Doherty has been hired and I think he will struggle recruiting effectively here.

[ponydawg]

Hoop-
Sorry, I don't think "good fit" and "pipe dream" have the same meaning.
My college girlfriend and I were a good fit, Britney Spears in her prime (pre K-Fed) was a pipe dream.

[Hoop Fan]

Hoop-
Sorry, I don't think "good fit" and "pipe dream" have the same meaning.
My college girlfriend and I were a good fit, Britney Spears in her prime (pre K-Fed) was a pipe dream.

ok, let me back up for you. This isnt that hard to comprehend either. When he left North Carolina, I never guessed a guy like Doherty would fall so far to Florida Atlantic. I quite reasonably expected him to take a year off and resurface at a Tennessee or someplace like that rather than an FAU. Thus, the term "pipedream" for us. As it turns out, Doherty was not coveted at all. Apparently people realized it was 'easy' to recruit to North Carolina or something. Or maybe that the problems at UNC were bigger than most thought. Once Doh fell to FAU, I think he immediately fell out of the pipedream category. I will say this, I never thought SMU would ponyup $600k to lure a basketball coach away from Florida Atlantic. I guess it does show commitment alright! I'm proven wrong once again. How will I face my wife and kids tonight?

[Bergermeister]

Funny.

[bagice]

When I made my comment that many on this board overestimated and were overly optimistic about Tubbs and his ability to recruit DISD Blue Chips, I was not calling out Hoop Fan, I was calling out many of us, including myself and even the SMU administrators that hired Tubbs.

My point was not to "zing" anyone but to remind us all that balance is needed. We read too much into Tubbs DISD connections, lets not read too much into Dohertys lack of DISD connections/riff.

I know a lot of this discussion is really about something else...the way Tubbs was fired and the very short chance in which he was given to turn things around. Point is well taken, and I think many agree with that. But it is over now, hopefully SMU learned from it, hopefully we all learned from it, and lets do better in the future.

Time to let it go and back Matt and lets get this thing turned around.

[SoCal_Pony]

You don't think you "overestimated and overstated" Tubbs' ability to get local recruits?

I am not going to say another word. Anybody that reads those posts knows I don't have to. The point is obvious.

I don't think so...

HF has a beef about the way JT was dismissed. I happen to agree with him.

I also think he is one of the more informed posters regarding BB as has been rather consisent in his posts throughout the years.

You are taking a couple of comments and trying to twist it...I'm not buying it.

[SMU Football Blog]

Maybe Blog can count them for you if he is being intellecually honest. But he won't.

Look, buddy. I am the most intellectually honest MF'er on this board. I don not hesitate to post good news or bad news. I do not hesitate to discuss the pros and cons of any position that I take. I do not hesitate to present alternative arguments. I have always tried to present the whole story all the time; I am not one that subscribes to the view of "optional" completeness.

There are people on this board that have admitted that is isn't their job to make other people's arguments for them; that ain't me, buddy.

[ponydawg]

ok, let me back up for you. This isnt that hard to comprehend either. When he left North Carolina, I never guessed a guy like Doherty would fall so far to Florida Atlantic. I quite reasonably expected him to take a year off and resurface at a Tennessee or someplace like that rather than an FAU. Thus, the term "pipedream" for us. As it turns out, Doherty was not coveted at all. Apparently people realized it was 'easy' to recruit to North Carolina or something. Or maybe that the problems at UNC were bigger than most thought. Once Doh fell to FAU, I think he immediately fell out of the pipedream category. I will say this, I never thought SMU would ponyup $600k to lure a basketball coach away from Florida Atlantic. I guess it does show commitment alright! I'm proven wrong once again. How will I face my wife and kids tonight?

Hoop, I understand that. And once again I agree that EVERYTHING has been handled wrongly by SMU. I understand that your pipe dream was pre-FAU but I still think we got a great coach not just a good fit and with Steve O's help SMU can be sucessful. And again, I don't think it is a bad as you think or as awesome as others.
Think we all just need to take a break.....I know I won't be missed but I gotta take a break myself, almost hitting 400 posts and it is the same sh*t over and over ......that is sad, I have more important things to do like go to Britney Spears Websites.....pre k-fed of course.

[Hoop Fan]

ok, let me back up for you. This isnt that hard to comprehend either. When he left North Carolina, I never guessed a guy like Doherty would fall so far to Florida Atlantic. I quite reasonably expected him to take a year off and resurface at a Tennessee or someplace like that rather than an FAU. Thus, the term "pipedream" for us. As it turns out, Doherty was not coveted at all. Apparently people realized it was 'easy' to recruit to North Carolina or something. Or maybe that the problems at UNC were bigger than most thought. Once Doh fell to FAU, I think he immediately fell out of the pipedream category. I will say this, I never thought SMU would ponyup $600k to lure a basketball coach away from Florida Atlantic. I guess it does show commitment alright! I'm proven wrong once again. How will I face my wife and kids tonight?

Hoop, I understand that. And once again I agree that EVERYTHING has been handled wrongly by SMU. I understand that your pipe dream was pre-FAU but I still think we got a great coach not just a good fit and with Steve O's help SMU can be sucessful. And again, I don't think it is a bad as you think or as awesome as others.
Think we all just need to take a break.....I know I won't be missed but I gotta take a break myself, almost hitting 400 posts and it is the same sh*t over and over ......that is sad, I have more important things to do like go to Britney Spears Websites.....pre k-fed of course.

I'm with ya. If you dont mind, let me know the good Brittany sites, and I'll head over there myself. Or maybe I'll just change my username and re-invent myself here like most everybody else does. Maybe that way I could have like 10 different opinions and personalities and then it will be impossible for Blog to misportray me three years from now.

[SMU Football Blog]

You don't think you "overestimated and overstated" Tubbs' ability to get local recruits?

I am not going to say another word. Anybody that reads those posts knows I don't have to. The point is obvious.

I don't think so...

HF has a beef about the way JT was dismissed. I happen to agree with him.

I also think he is one of the more informed posters regarding BB as has been rather consisent in his posts throughout the years.

You are taking a couple of comments and trying to twist it...I'm not buying it.

If I was twisting anything, I would have excerpted quotes instead of quoting them entirely. I don't play games. Regardless of Hoop Fan personally, Tubbs' ability to get local recruits was "overestimated and overstated" and it is ridiculous to suggest it wasn't.

Have I once actually insulted Hoop Fan? Not that I recall, and if I did I will apologize (I don't think I have insulted anybody other than Stallion who admits he is an a-hole or the people I know on this board personally and know I am joking). I also haven't suggested that Hoop Fan isn't informed or doesn't know basketball. I will concede he probably knows more about basketball than me.

[Stallion]

I think most on this board including Hoop Fan were over estimating Tubbs ability to recruit top Texas Dallas Metroplex talent but I think maybe more are underestimating just how many doors Tubbs opened although eventually he was not successful. By my count, Tubbs gave us a shot at at least 10 DFW players in the Texas Top 20 in 2005 or 2006 and several other nice prospects who were highly recruited. Bennett can't even seem to get his foot in the door of ANY of the Top 100. Did he close the deal? No. Was it all his fault? Hell no. Has anyone ever given us a better shot of recruiting the Top DFW players? Most definitely not. The blame game on SMU Head Coaches is laughable. One gets off the Merry-Go-Round and another gets on-but the program never gets anywhere. The cause for that failure is SMU itself.

[Hoop Fan]

Maybe Blog can count them for you if he is being intellecually honest. But he won't.

Look, buddy. I am the most intellectually honest MF'er on this board. I don not hesitate to post good news or bad news. I do not hesitate to discuss the pros and cons of any position that I take. I do not hesitate to present alternative arguments. I have always tried to present the whole story all the time; I am not one that subscribes to the view of "optional" completeness.

There are people on this board that have admitted that is isn't their job to make other people's arguments for them; that ain't me, buddy.

whats with the 'buddy' stuff? You attacked me, so obviously, we ain't. And yes, you have most certainly opted for optional completeness. There are a ton of my posts at the time Tubbs was about to be hired that say it might take time for the results to show. Hell, I have said numerous times that it took several years for Tubbs to break through and get Sasser. I never once said that Tubbs would show up here and have his choice of recruits. In fact, I said quite the opposite and you know it because obviously you scoured my past posts selectively looking for ammo.