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The SMU case for the CFP

Postby JasonB » Sun Nov 10, 2024 1:34 pm

Obviously, if we win out, we are in. But what are the chances SMU gets an at-large?

When it comes to the CFP, the case of the Big 10 getting 4 teams makes a lot of sense - they have four that have separated themselves out from the rest of the pack, with no bad losses between them (yet).

The Big 12 is a one team conference.

If ND wins out, they are in.

One spot is going to the G5.

That takes 7 of the 12 spots.

The case for the SEC getting 4 teams, however, is much more complicated.

There are five big reasons why the SEC's position is over-inflated. I'll walk through those reasons first, and then walk through a case-by-case discussion of the top teams in the conference.

1) Missouri was highly ranked to start the season. Missouri turned out to not be a good football team. Wins against Mizzou need to be completely reassessed. They barely beat Boston College OOC at home, and in fact were trailing for good portions of that game. They don't have any quality wins in conference and have lost to all of the top teams. They should not be considered a quality win.

2) Oklahoma was highly ranked to start the season. Oklahoma is flat out bad. No quality wins and they barely beat a bad Houston team non-conference. They are not a quality win, at all.

3) Arkansas is .500 in the SEC, but is not a good football team. They lost to winless-in-the-Big-12 OK State. They have one quality win this season, which we are going to get into in a bit...

4) LSU is really not that good. They have a quality win over Ole Miss, but they lost to A&M and Bama. And they lost to USC who is really not good at all. That is a bad loss that should take them out of CFP consideration in coordination with their 3 losses overall.

5) Let's talk about Vandy. They opened the season with an upset over VT, who it turns out is a .500 ACC team. Solid win, not spectacular. Then they upset Bama, which is a really nice win for them. However, they lost to Georgia State, barely beat Ball State, lost to a mid Mizzou team and got drilled by South Carolina. They are certainly better than expected. But they are a .500 SEC team who would be middle of the pack in any of the major conferences. They are a tough team, but not a quality win.

The resume for each of the top SEC teams:

- Tenn - they beat a bad NC State team OOC, lost to Arkansas who isn't good. They have one quality win, at home against Bama. One quality win and one bad loss. If they lose to Georgia, I think the resume is very questionable for their inclusion. And when you watch them play, there are major issues. They don't pass the eye test. I think they have a 50% chance of losing @vandy to close out the season.

- A&M - They have one quality win over LSU, which as stated before, is a good team but not a CFP team. They lost against ND, which is a quality loss, and then lost to South Carolina, which is mid. The Texas game is a knockout game for them - win it and they get another quality win. Lose it and they are out with three losses.

- Texas - Zero quality wins on the season so far. They beat a not good Michigan team OOC, so that doesn't count. They lost against the only decent team they have played, Georgia. They have by far and away the easiest schedule in the SEC. The A&M game is their only chance at a quality win. IMHO, they haven't done enough to get into the CFP if they lose the A&M game - that is a winner-take-all matchup.

- Georgia - Really up and down this year. Only two losses, but they really struggle with the eye test. Quality win against Texas. Not sure if the Clemson win counts as a quality win or not at this point? Lost to Bama and Ole Miss. They have Tenn and a sneaky GT game left on the schedule. I think if they have one more loss, they are out. They have the best case of any 3 loss team if it comes down to that.

- Ole Miss - They are going to be helped by all the metrics, but the resume isn't great. They did nothing OOC, have a bad loss to Kentucky. Quality loss to LSU and then they have a quality win against Georgia. They don't have anyone decent left on the schedule. I think they need to find a way into the SEC championship game.

- Alabama - OOC, they beat a mid Wisconsin team. Not a quality win. Quality wins over Georgia and LSU, which both have their warts. Quality loss to Tenn, and then a mid-loss to Vandy. Easy schedule to close the season. If they suffer an upset for a third loss, they are out. But they are a lock as a 2 loss team.

Now, let's say that SMU runs the table, but loses the ACC Championship game against Miami (if we lose to Clemson, it won't be considered a quality loss, and we will be out) in a close game. How does the SMU resume compare? Lots of decent wins, but no high quality wins, and two close high quality losses.

If Tenn loses to Georgia, it gives them one quality win, one quality loss, and then one bad loss. I think SMU would need BYU to run the table, and Tenn would probably need to look bad against Georgia/Vandy for SMU to be considered here.

If Georgia loses to Tenn, I think it is interesting. They would have 3 quality losses and one quality win. SMU would have 2 quality losses and no quality wins. I think SMU would need Texas to lose to A&M and BYU to win out in order to sneak by Georgia.

If A&M loses to Texas, SMU is ahead of A&M who would have three losses.

If Texas loses to A&M, then both teams have two high quality losses with no quality wins. SMU probably needs BYU to run the table and Georgia to lose another game to take the luster off of that quality loss for Texas. Otherwise, the Texas brand is going to win.

If Ole Miss wins out, they have a bad loss, a quality loss, and a quality win. I think for Ole Miss to pass SMU, they would need BYU to lose and they would need to win (or closely lose) the SEC conference championship game.

In conclusion, I think we are rooting for BYU, TCU, Louisville, Texas, and Tennessee. In that case, Bama is the third SEC to get in, and it is our resume against a 3 loss A&M team, a 3 loss Georgia team, and a 2 loss Ole Miss team. If BYU runs the table, then I think we are in.

Of course, it goes without saying to root against ND every week and root for upsets across the board :). A 2 loss ND team isn't getting in.
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Re: The SMU case for the CFP

Postby highlander » Sun Nov 10, 2024 2:32 pm

Great breakdown. But I am getting really tired of hearing how great Pedo State is. They will end up 1-1 vs top-25 teams.

For the first time in forever, we control our own destiny. Unlike last year, all we have to do is win, and then we won't have to worry about what some SEC suck-up thinks of us.

I think we can and will beat Miami on a neutral field, even with all of our injuries. Yesterday GT beat Miami while throwing for 99 yards! In other words, Miami knew what GT wanted to do, but they couldn't stop them. Imagine if they had had to play that can run AND pass! And Miami shoulda-coulda lost to VT, Cal and Louisville. We have ONE such should-coulda-lost game (with KJ at the helm). Many experts call that game a wart, but I call it amazing: we are good enough to turn the ball over 6 times and still beat a 6-1 team on the road!
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Re: The SMU case for the CFP

Postby mustang1992 » Sun Nov 10, 2024 3:10 pm

Only way we get to cfp is win out. Too much bias and nonsense going on. Just keep on winning stangs. Most important game is BC.
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Re: The SMU case for the CFP

Postby Charleston Pony » Sun Nov 10, 2024 3:15 pm

If only SMU generated the same "audience" all of those SEC teams and Notre Dame do...
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Re: The SMU case for the CFP

Postby peruna81 » Sun Nov 10, 2024 5:58 pm

Charleston Pony wrote:If only SMU generated the same "audience" all of those SEC teams and Notre Dame do...

win and it will...eventually.
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Re: The SMU case for the CFP

Postby JasonB » Mon Nov 11, 2024 12:58 pm

highlander wrote:Great breakdown. But I am getting really tired of hearing how great Pedo State is. They will end up 1-1 vs top-25 teams.

For the first time in forever, we control our own destiny. Unlike last year, all we have to do is win, and then we won't have to worry about what some SEC suck-up thinks of us.

I think we can and will beat Miami on a neutral field, even with all of our injuries. Yesterday GT beat Miami while throwing for 99 yards! In other words, Miami knew what GT wanted to do, but they couldn't stop them. Imagine if they had had to play that can run AND pass! And Miami shoulda-coulda lost to VT, Cal and Louisville. We have ONE such should-coulda-lost game (with KJ at the helm). Many experts call that game a wart, but I call it amazing: we are good enough to turn the ball over 6 times and still beat a 6-1 team on the road!


Miami is a better team than TCU, with a better QB, and will attack our defense in a similar fashion. It will be a high scoring, close game.

I agree with your Penn St argument, but I think the Big 10 is locked into 4 teams.
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Re: The SMU case for the CFP

Postby leopold » Mon Nov 11, 2024 4:38 pm

If we win out and reach the ACC CG then we actually have a very good chance at making into the playoffs, win or lose, as we should solidly be in the top 10 by that time - there are just too many other chances for teams above us to lose, some already scheduled in. Take a look at the remaining schedules of some of the teams above us (two schools playing each other is in bold:

Texas - at Arkansas, UK, at A&M
Alabama - at Oklahoma, Auburn
Notre Dame - at UVA, (undefeated) Army, at USC
Tennessee - at UGA, Vanderbilt
Georgia - Tennessee, Georgia Tech
Ohio State - at Northwestern, Indiana, Michigan

There are five loses in there between those games alone. One or two upsets and we are sitting in the top ten.
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Re: The SMU case for the CFP

Postby ponyte » Mon Nov 11, 2024 6:29 pm

Based on these beauty contest run by the NCAA, including both football and basketball, there is no way the NCAA includes SMU if we lose the ACC championship.
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Re: The SMU case for the CFP

Postby Dukie » Mon Nov 11, 2024 8:05 pm

ponyte wrote:Based on these beauty contest run by the NCAA, including both football and basketball, there is no way the NCAA includes SMU if we lose the ACC championship.

I agree.
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Re: The SMU case for the CFP

Postby Peruna Power » Tue Nov 12, 2024 8:22 am

Only way in this year is to win the ACC title game now that we won’t be playing an undefeated team in the title game.

With that said, we can lose one more time and still make the CFP as long as the loss doesn’t happen in the ACC title game. With our 1 game lead and tie breakers, we are going to the game by winning 2/3 final games. Hopefully Miami loses again (don’t think Clemson loses their last conference game this weekend) and could potentially only need 1 more win.

Either way we just need to keep winning and focus on making the title game and then let 60 min decide…
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Re: The SMU case for the CFP

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Re: The SMU case for the CFP

Postby AusTxPony » Tue Nov 12, 2024 11:25 am

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Re: The SMU case for the CFP

Postby highlander » Tue Nov 12, 2024 1:47 pm

If we win our 3 remaining games, and we win the ACCCC, the committee can't keep us out. That's all I care about.
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Re: The SMU case for the CFP

Postby Mustangs_Maroons » Tue Nov 12, 2024 1:48 pm

The reason Boise State is ranked ahead of us is because I think the committee ranks their loss to Oregon as a better loss than our loss to BYU, and that supersedes the rest of our wins which are clearly better than what Boise State has. Based on wins and overall resume, we should be ranked higher at this juncture.
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Re: The SMU case for the CFP

Postby mustang1992 » Tue Nov 12, 2024 9:10 pm

highlander wrote:If we win our 3 remaining games, and we win the ACCCC, the committee can't keep us out. That's all I care about.


Yup, just keep on winning.
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