DMN: SMU's Doherty Mending Fences

[Blunt Pony]

and that's why I said "at a school like SMU" because Tubbs was not given the same tools that 95% of all his competitors are given to turn a program around quickly. Look -its quite likely this program will be in no better shape in the won-loss record in 2 years as we are today. The program has Bamba and not a whole lot more promising talent in the bottom 3 classes assuming this year is a washout. Do we fire Doherty in two years. All I'm saying is that if you are going to judge Tubbs/Doherty by7 that standard give them the tools and Model they need for a quick turnaround.

I agree the coaches need the tools. Doherty demanded them and SMU has stepped up. Now it is put up or shut up time for Doherty. The coaches take the risk by signing up for a job that they are handcuffed on. By taking the job you are assuming the risk.

[McClown27]

The "Clown" may be setting new standards on this board for superficial analysis and recommendations. Not a "Deep Thinker". Could grow up to be President.

Hey, you are the one already complaining about Orsini. New A.D.'s bring in new people. Face the facts!

[Blunt Pony]

You know, if Tubbs did not have the facilities and surroundings necessary to succeed, why did he take the job in the first place?? That kind of statement is a cop out for someone who was intimately familiar with how things ran at SMU.

Notice when Doherty that he placed demands on SMU prior to signing the deal and he has out clauses if they do not do these things. Matt wanted to put himself in a position that gave him every opportunity to succeed and I commend him and SMU for stepping up.

I never said that Tubbs came to SMu with a great deal of leverage. Hence the four year deal. Your line of thinking is the real cop out. SMU hung Tubbs out to dry and apparently expected him to walk on water. The AD and Prez should have realized the coach needed the tools and gotten them for him. Tubbs needed help, that was obvious from day 1 when you hire an assistant with no D-1 head coaching experience or name. We hired one of our own when hired Tubbs and we should have known the situation. Doherty has more leverage that is obvious. He has a name and he had a head job before coming. Two points for Doherty, but it doesnt excuse hanging Tubbs out to dry like we did, it will only hurt SMU long term.

You missed the point. Why did Tubbs take the job in the first place if he was handcuffed by bad facilities and surroundings. No one put a gun to his head and he was very familiar with how SMU handles their business. Of course SMU gave him no support. That has been standard operating procedure around here for a long time. SMU is to blame for much of what has gone on in the past 15 years. My question remains, why would you take the job having known all this? Was he trying to committ career suicide?? SMU appears to have turned a corner with regards to athletics. Some people were hurt along the way, but all is not fair in love and war. Let's just hope that we have learned some lessons through all this.

[Blunt Pony]

Is this discourse all we have to look forward to in basketball until the season starts? Please tell it will stop then.

Make it stop, mommy. Make it stop!

I dont know, but it seems there was an article written today in the DMN that evoked the issues. Call Calvin Watkins and let him know you are tired of hearing about it i guess. Tell him its not news anymore.

There's a thought! Let's [deleted] about the positive press that we are getting. Brilliant!!

[Hoop Fan]

You know, if Tubbs did not have the facilities and surroundings necessary to succeed, why did he take the job in the first place?? That kind of statement is a cop out for someone who was intimately familiar with how things ran at SMU.

Notice when Doherty that he placed demands on SMU prior to signing the deal and he has out clauses if they do not do these things. Matt wanted to put himself in a position that gave him every opportunity to succeed and I commend him and SMU for stepping up.

I never said that Tubbs came to SMu with a great deal of leverage. Hence the four year deal. Your line of thinking is the real cop out. SMU hung Tubbs out to dry and apparently expected him to walk on water. The AD and Prez should have realized the coach needed the tools and gotten them for him. Tubbs needed help, that was obvious from day 1 when you hire an assistant with no D-1 head coaching experience or name. We hired one of our own when hired Tubbs and we should have known the situation. Doherty has more leverage that is obvious. He has a name and he had a head job before coming. Two points for Doherty, but it doesnt excuse hanging Tubbs out to dry like we did, it will only hurt SMU long term.

You missed the point. Why did Tubbs take the job in the first place if he was handcuffed by bad facilities and surroundings. No one put a gun to his head and he was very familiar with how SMU handles their business. Of course SMU gave him no support. That has been standard operating procedure around here for a long time. SMU is to blame for much of what has gone on in the past 15 years. My question remains, why would you take the job having known all this? Was he trying to committ career suicide?? SMU appears to have turned a corner with regards to athletics. Some people were hurt along the way, but all is not fair in love and war. Let's just hope that we have learned some lessons through all this.

I did not miss your point at all. Tubbs took the job because he always wanted the job. And not many assitant coaches go around turning down head jobs. Gimme a break, you are actually going to sit there and say tubbs should not have taken the job in the first place? That sounds like stuff out of McClowns fairy tale world. Lets deal with reality.

[SMU Football Blog]

Is this discourse all we have to look forward to in basketball until the season starts? Please tell it will stop then.

Make it stop, mommy. Make it stop!

Hey, blog. Are you feeling better or are you still sick with whatever your son passed on to you? Hope you're feeling better.

Actually, I am feeling much better, today. Thanks for asking. My problem is that I never get too sick to function; I just feel like cr@p for days. And since there is no point in trying to sleep at home with little kids, I just come to the office and try to work. Emphasis on the word "try."

[Blunt Pony]

You know, if Tubbs did not have the facilities and surroundings necessary to succeed, why did he take the job in the first place?? That kind of statement is a cop out for someone who was intimately familiar with how things ran at SMU.

Notice when Doherty that he placed demands on SMU prior to signing the deal and he has out clauses if they do not do these things. Matt wanted to put himself in a position that gave him every opportunity to succeed and I commend him and SMU for stepping up.

I never said that Tubbs came to SMu with a great deal of leverage. Hence the four year deal. Your line of thinking is the real cop out. SMU hung Tubbs out to dry and apparently expected him to walk on water. The AD and Prez should have realized the coach needed the tools and gotten them for him. Tubbs needed help, that was obvious from day 1 when you hire an assistant with no D-1 head coaching experience or name. We hired one of our own when hired Tubbs and we should have known the situation. Doherty has more leverage that is obvious. He has a name and he had a head job before coming. Two points for Doherty, but it doesnt excuse hanging Tubbs out to dry like we did, it will only hurt SMU long term.

You missed the point. Why did Tubbs take the job in the first place if he was handcuffed by bad facilities and surroundings. No one put a gun to his head and he was very familiar with how SMU handles their business. Of course SMU gave him no support. That has been standard operating procedure around here for a long time. SMU is to blame for much of what has gone on in the past 15 years. My question remains, why would you take the job having known all this? Was he trying to committ career suicide?? SMU appears to have turned a corner with regards to athletics. Some people were hurt along the way, but all is not fair in love and war. Let's just hope that we have learned some lessons through all this.

I did not miss your point at all. Tubbs took the job because he always wanted the job. And not many assitant coaches go around turning down head jobs. Gimme a break, you are actually going to sit there and say tubbs should not have taken the job in the first place? That sounds like stuff out of McClowns fairy tale world. Lets deal with reality.

Let's put this in business terms. Do you take a job that is doomed to fail only because it is a promotion or do you wait for a better opportunity to arise in hopes that you create a better long term situation for yourself? Coaches and business people who are confident in their abilities generally wait it out knowing that better things will come. Also, yes assitants do turn down head coaching jobs all the time. We have had plenty do it to us.

[Hoop Fan]

Is this discourse all we have to look forward to in basketball until the season starts? Please tell it will stop then.

Make it stop, mommy. Make it stop!

Hey, blog. Are you feeling better or are you still sick with whatever your son passed on to you? Hope you're feeling better.

Actually, I am feeling much better, today. Thanks for asking. My problem is that I never get too sick to function; I just feel like cr@p for days. And since there is no point in trying to sleep at home with little kids, I just come to the office and try to work. Emphasis on the word "try."

youre right Blogger, its much more exciting to hear about how you are feeling today than waste space talking about the series of major events that have occurred at smu in the last four weeks. I know you did it on purpose, but I still have to mess with you about it. How are the wife and kids? Dog feeling okay? Regular and all?

[ponydawg]

GOOD GOO-GA-LEE-MOO-GAH-LEE......

"Elite News founder and publisher William Blair hosts "The Roundtable," which has been meeting for 16 years. He said it was time for South Dallas and DISD, specifically, to move forward."

Wish he would have also included ponyfans on that list of people who need to "move forward"

I can't believe that Calvin writes such a positive article about this and our own "fans" turn the thread into a total beating. What a joke.

I bet Tubbs himself is looking towards the future by now.

We have a Name Coach (who is trying to mend the fences), Admission Policies are somewhat changing, Serious talks of building a Practice Facility and some updates to moody......boo hoo.

Move forward, and I am just not talking to the Tubbs defenders but to the Tubbs Bashers also........
I tried to take a break from P-fans and just concentrate on B-Spears before K-Fed ruined her, I come back and it is the same cr@p, and now that B-spears eats cheetos for breakfast there are not many pictures for me to distract myself with......

[McClown27]

The irony of the whole thing is that Tubbs was fired to build the practice facility that all y'all have been screaming for. Even though it won't help recruiting one bit, alumni donations have shot through the roof supposedly.

[Hoop Fan]

Let's put this in business terms. Do you take a job that is doomed to fail only because it is a promotion or do you wait for a better opportunity to arise in hopes that you create a better long term situation for yourself? Coaches and business people who are confident in their abilities generally wait it out knowing that better things will come. Also, yes assitants do turn down head coaching jobs all the time. We have had plenty do it to us.

fine and good. Reality is that SMU was a unique fit for Tubbs and vice versa. We hired him for the niche we hoped he could carve out in Dallas. Two years proved nothing in terms of him not being able to do just that and eventually succeed. Who are all the assistants that have turned us down by the way? We will see how Doherty recruits locally. He has quite an uphill climb.

[bagice]

Here is my take on how I see the whole thing, please let me know if I have made any wrong assumptions:

Tubbs was a risky hire by SMU. He was getting up there in age and he had never been a head coach before. The MAIN reason SMU took a chance on him was the hope that he could get Dallas kids to come to SMU that would normally not come here. I know some think this was a "safe" hire a "lay up" if you will. I disagree, I think it was a bold move that if it had worked would have been awesome. Finally, we would have a pipeline to all these studs here in Dallas that normally played elsewhere. Because of the risk involved, this is why Tubbs was only given a 4 year deal. He knew all this. He knew why he was hired, he knew he better damn well deliver some top notch DISD talent, pronto! I think the point is very valid that he "went for it", probably aimed too high and ended up empty handed. This paragraph is a major point, he was hired to deliver DISD talent and in his first two years he did not.

Now the minor recruiting violations, yes not that big of a deal, yes probably everyone commits them, yes none of this would have come to light without Mad Max. But still, here we are, they were exposed and our program is under NCAA scrutiny for the first time in a long time. This is a blemish and is point 2.

The third point, and to me the one that is most critical and is also the one that no one seems to pay attention to. We have a NEW AD! When you change ADs, coaches lose jobs, it happens all the time. Orsini did not feel that Tubbs was the man for the job, he saw no inroads to DISD recruiting, he saw minor NCAA violations, and down in Florida he saw a nationally prominent coach that was on his way back and was hungry for bigger opportunity. Copeland fired Tubbs for Orsini to help a bit with the heat and Orsini hired the guy he wanted, Doherty. This last piece involves a bit of conjecture that he had Doherty in mind all along, but even if that were not true, it still does not invalidate the point that the AD wanted a new coach because of points 1 and 2.

Yes, it was rough the way Tubbs was let go, but he has his 600k to console him and I am sure can get another job down the road if he wishes.

[Blunt Pony]

Let's put this in business terms. Do you take a job that is doomed to fail only because it is a promotion or do you wait for a better opportunity to arise in hopes that you create a better long term situation for yourself? Coaches and business people who are confident in their abilities generally wait it out knowing that better things will come. Also, yes assitants do turn down head coaching jobs all the time. We have had plenty do it to us.

fine and good. Reality is that SMU was a unique fit for Tubbs and vice versa. We hired him for the niche we hoped he could carve out in Dallas. Two years proved nothing in terms of him not being able to do just that and eventually succeed. Who are all the assistants that have turned us down by the way? We will see how Doherty recruits locally. He has quite an uphill climb.

I agree. It did seem like a good fit and I wish that SMU could have woke up sooner and gave coaches the tools needed to succeed. It appears as though the school may now be seeing the big picture, but I will believe it when I see it.

I don't know if any assistants turned us down for this hire, but it seems that many have "taken themselves out" of the process in previous football hires.

[friarwolf]

Let's put this in business terms. Do you take a job that is doomed to fail only because it is a promotion or do you wait for a better opportunity to arise in hopes that you create a better long term situation for yourself? Coaches and business people who are confident in their abilities generally wait it out knowing that better things will come. Also, yes assitants do turn down head coaching jobs all the time. We have had plenty do it to us.

fine and good. Reality is that SMU was a unique fit for Tubbs and vice versa. We hired him for the niche we hoped he could carve out in Dallas. Two years proved nothing in terms of him not being able to do just that and eventually succeed. Who are all the assistants that have turned us down by the way? We will see how Doherty recruits locally. He has quite an uphill climb.

Regarding Doherty recruiting locally, I think he is trying to do the right thing. But, take a hint from his interview where he said SMU is known from New York to California. He is going to go find players wherever to build his program and rightfully so.

My last shot at this Tubbs thing because it has given me such a case of tired head. SMU spit the bit and made a bad decision to hire him in the first place. Why? Because they were so afraid of how it would look to the south of the Trinity folks if they turned him down. Well, in hindsight, they just delayed it 2 years didn't they?

In the business world, you hire someone with the hopes they are going to lead your entity to bigger, better, positive things. If the person delivers results and has some warts, some incidents, some indiscretions, you probably look the other way - at least for awhile. If the person doesn't deliver results and has the indiscretions, you fire him, deal with the negative press and move on. That's the way it is done and that's what happened here. It's up to each of us to decide if Tubbs got screwed but at the very least, he got kissed 600,000 times.

Actually, if this was such a big deal, where is the negative press? Where's the outcry from Tubb's spokespeople? And don't think the money bought his silence. He and his people are smart enough to know they could scream bloody murder and SMU would not take the money back. It would just make SMU look worse. This whole thing has barely caused a ripple except for right here. The silence regarding the firing tells me something...........

As far as SMU revealing anything more, the NCAA just left campus last week. It takes a while for all this to come out so let's all take a deep breath. And same goes for Maxie. I bet he is not held in very high regard at Perkins right now. I think his 1MM donation 20 years ago has just outlived its usefulness. As far as his grandson, I bet he has to earn his spot with Doherty and if he doesn't, he will probably be playing intramural ball soon enough..........

[friarwolf]

Oh, and one last thing to ponder. Speaking of big business, you need someone who can loosen the purse strings of investors. Tubbs couldn't for numerous reasons. Some justified, some better not discussed for PC reasons. We needed someone to energize the big donors. Look at what is happening. We have for the most part griped about the facilities. Doherty walks in, proposals go out, and a couple of weeks later, we have an additional $6MM and counting in our pockets for a new facility. Does it suck that it has to be this way? Yeah, but.................that's the way it goes. And I for one, don't want to give the money back and stay in the crappy facilities........