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Postby Cheesesteak » Sat May 20, 2006 4:59 pm

Buckeyes, Sooners lead post-spring Top 25

By Ivan Maisel - ESPN - May 20, 2006

1. Ohio State Buckeyes
OK, so only two defensive starters return. When did Jim Tressel not have a defense? And my, oh, my, that offense.

2. Oklahoma Sooners
You've got to be pretty good to go 8-4 while rebuilding. Quarterback Rhett Bomar comes into his own as a sophomore, and junior tailback Adrian Peterson is healthy.

3. West Virginia Mountaineers
If you think the Mountaineers peaked in the Sugar Bowl, then you'll dismiss them. But they've shown what they can do. West Virginia's biggest obstacle is ego expansion.

4. Texas Longhorns
If they had a QB returning from winning a national championship, they'd definitely be No. 1. If they had a QB who had ever taken a snap, maybe.


5. Florida State Seminoles
There's more returning on defense than the loss of seven starters suggests. This is Bobby Bowden's best team since Chris Weinke -- and Mark Richt -- left.

6. USC Trojans
If John David Booty is healthy, move them up. If he can't play, and Mark Sanchez remains suspended, move them down.

7. California Golden Bears
Marshawn Lynch should be in the same Heisman breath as Peterson. The defense is experienced. If Nate Longshore stays healthy …

8. Notre Dame Fighting Irish
BQ squared. On offense, Brady Quinn is the answer. On defense, the Big Question is stopping the pass. The defense will improve, but not in time to get through every one of the first five games.

9. Auburn Tigers
I like this team. There's a lot of experience on both sides of the ball and a favorable schedule. But the SEC has too much depth to expect a BCS championship game contender.

10. Iowa Hawkeyes
Drew Tate is the best quarterback you're not paying attention to, and the Hawkeyes played better last year than their 7-5 record would indicate.

11. Clemson Tigers
Sophomore tailback James Davis is a star ready to shine. Quarterback Charlie Whitehurst and his 40 starts are gone, but backup Will Proctor is ready to lead.

12. Florida Gators
Higher than I expected, because there's more coming back than I realized. But Chris Leak looks like a spotted tiger in this offense, and no running back has stepped up.

13. LSU Tigers
Lower than I expected, because both lines have to be rebuilt, and because of road games at Auburn, Florida and Tennessee. There's sure a lot of talent on offense, though.

14. Oregon Ducks
The Ducks have plenty to sink their beaks into: road games at Fresno State, Cal and USC. OU comes to Autzen Stadium, which has replaced Husky Stadium as the toughest venue in the Pac-10.

15. Nebraska Cornhuskers
The Huskers were my dark horse last year, and I was nine games early. Zac Taylor found his stroke late in the season. Nebraska can't let what happens at USC, good or bad, dictate the rest of the season.

16. Michigan Wolverines
The Wolverines are my dark horse this season. That's right. This team wasn't all that good last year. But RB Mike Hart is healthy, and I think new coordinator Ron English will fix what ailed the defense.

17. Louisville Cardinals
The Cardinals and West Virginia have reversed roles. It's WVU's turn to deal with expectations. I'd rank the Cardinals higher if I knew for sure that quarterback Brian Brohm will have recovered from knee surgery.

18. Miami Hurricanes
Too low? Shoot, this is a leap of faith. To be honest, I expect this to be a transition year into a new offense with a new offensive coaching staff.

19. TCU Horned Frogs
If the Frogs had more than one returning offensive lineman, they would be in the top 10. All the other pieces are there, and early games against Baylor and Texas Tech will provide schedule cred.


20. Boston College Eagles
A good nucleus of experience, led by the offensive line (74 returning starts) and LB Brian Toal on defense. Strange scheduling: Eagles close at Miami, which means they could play the Canes again nine days later in the ACC title game.

21. Penn State Nittany Lions
The Nittany Lions will fall off from 11-1, but there's still a lot of skill on offense, and there's still Puz to anchor a young defense. Penn State fans need to be patient with quarterback Anthony Morelli.

22. Georgia Bulldogs
The SEC East is as tough as ever, and the Bulldogs have less coming back than the rest of the Top 25. Can Joe Tereshinski III run the offense well enough early enough?

23. UTEP Miners
Quarterback Jordan Palmer has the eye of NFL scouts and the defense returns almost intact (which may be a good thing). Texas Tech comes to El Paso early, which could boost UTEP into a higher ranking. Four road games in five weeks will be rough.


24. Virginia Tech Hokies
The Hokies lost almost as much (12 starters) as Georgia, and Frank Beamer has four new coaches. But with this schedule, the Hokies could be mediocre and go 8-4.

25. Texas Tech Red Raiders
Hold on to your Stetson: The Red Raiders won't have a fifth-year senior at quarterback. Graham Harrell is only a sophomore, but he's got the arm, the brains and a veteran cast around him.


Also receiving consideration: BYU, Northern Illinois, Northwestern, Tennessee, Texas A&M, Utah and Wisconsin.
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Postby Mustangs35SMU » Sun May 21, 2006 12:23 am

Not surprising.

Ok so now that the top 25 is out..where's the bottom 10? :lol:
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Postby Pony4Life » Sun May 21, 2006 3:19 am

Look at the teams listed below TCU: Boston College, Penn State, Georgia, UTEP, Virginia Tech and Texas Tech.

On a neutral field, how many would TCU beat? I'd guess UTEP and MAYBE Boston College.

Having said that, this is just a disagreement with the ranking, not a bashing of TCU, because I'd bet they could beat Louisville and Nebraska -- each ranked ahead of them -- on a neutral field.
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Postby Higher Authority » Mon May 22, 2006 9:34 am

I don't know, Penn State lost a lot.
But I still couldn't see TCU beating them. TCU is extraordinarily fast, that's true, but I think UTEP is the only school in that bottom bunch they could beat regularly.
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Postby LonghornFan68 » Mon May 22, 2006 11:10 am

Texas should be #1 until they lose. Oh well, more for them to prove... again.
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Postby PonyPride » Mon May 22, 2006 11:35 am

Um .... got to agree to disagree there, LF68. The ranking was a post-spring ranking for NEXT season. And with Superman now donning a Titans jersey, can you really say UT is the best team? They're still loaded, but I can't see calling them No. 1.
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Postby MustangStealth » Mon May 22, 2006 12:05 pm

LonghornFan68 wrote:Texas should be #1 until they lose. Oh well, more for them to prove... again.


By what logic?
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Postby MustangStealth » Mon May 22, 2006 12:07 pm

It's nice to see 2 teams we beat last year on a preseason top 25 list (TCU and UTEP). I'm sure it's been a long time since that happened.
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Postby Danny Noonan » Mon May 22, 2006 1:40 pm

MustangStealth wrote:
LonghornFan68 wrote:Texas should be #1 until they lose. Oh well, more for them to prove... again.


By what logic?


By lots of people's logic. The "champs are #1 until they lose" is a theory many people use, but usually when it fits their argument.

Last year, USC stayed #1 all year, even with close calls against some poor teams, while Texas stayed #2 while blowing everyone out.

The logic behind that? Most voters said they would leave USC at #1 until they lost, because they were the defending champ. If you looked at the 2005 regular season in a vacuum, and completely ignored their previous success, there is no way that USC would've been ranked ahead of Texas. So why were they? Answer: Because they were the defending champs.

Not saying its right or wrong, but there is certainly some logic behind the theory. And its a theory many people buy into.
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Postby MustangStealth » Mon May 22, 2006 1:56 pm

I know that many people buy into it, but I'm asking where the logic is. It has far more merit in professional sports, where successful teams more or less stay together. In college sports though, a team is gauranteed to lose 20-25% of their players from year to year, including in this case their best player (by far). Anyone who thinks that Texas deserves to be ranked #1 just because they ended last season there is ignoring reality. That's like saying that SMU should have been picked 5th in the SWC in 1987 because that's where we ended up in '86. Preseason rankings (as inane as they are) should take into account who is coming back and who is not, as well as any incoming talent and their respective expectations. While I'm sure UT will have a quality team, I don't think any analysts would seriously call them the best team heading into week 1 of next season.
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Postby The PonyGrad » Mon May 22, 2006 2:22 pm

If UT gets good QB play early they will move up and have a bias to move up. No tears need be shed for the Longhorns. 8)
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Postby Danny Noonan » Mon May 22, 2006 2:26 pm

MustangStealth wrote:I know that many people buy into it, but I'm asking where the logic is. It has far more merit in professional sports, where successful teams more or less stay together. In college sports though, a team is gauranteed to lose 20-25% of their players from year to year, including in this case their best player (by far). Anyone who thinks that Texas deserves to be ranked #1 just because they ended last season there is ignoring reality. That's like saying that SMU should have been picked 5th in the SWC in 1987 because that's where we ended up in '86. Preseason rankings (as inane as they are) should take into account who is coming back and who is not, as well as any incoming talent and their respective expectations. While I'm sure UT will have a quality team, I don't think any analysts would seriously call them the best team heading into week 1 of next season.


In my opinion it makes sense to use it when there is no other clear cut #1. Like this year. I look at UT and see that they lost their best offensive player(VY), and their best defensive player (Huff), and there's no way they should be #1.

But for me to drop them out of the top spot, there has to be a viable alternative. Ohio State seems to be the popular pick, but they lost 9 defensive starters (3 in first round), plus a first rounder WR. That's a lot of talent to lose (more than UT lost), and they have to play in Austin early.

Notre Dame? Did they get a defense this off-season? OU? Did they get an O-line (no, they just lost more o-linemen from an already poor unit). WVU? Seriously? USC? Lost a ton to NFL, then lost a ton to injury and sexual assault.

So with no clear cut #1, I go with the reigning champ who returns a ton of talent.
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