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Postby MrMustang1965 » Thu Jun 08, 2006 9:21 pm

CalallenStang wrote:
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couch 'em wrote:If all of a-hole's claims are thrown out, can SMU sue him for libel?
per Webster's...

libel: A false publication, as in writing, print, signs, or pictures, that damages a person's reputation.
The act of presenting such material to the public.
The written claims presented by a plaintiff in an action at admiralty law or to an ecclesiastical court.

slander: Law. Oral communication of false statements injurious to a person's reputation.
A false and malicious statement or report about someone.


Jtstang, correct me if I am wrong, but I believe that Vodicka filed the court papers himself (i.e. he wrote them himself) and they do contain some false claims that make SMU look bad. Could that not be classified as libel? Also...is MrMustang's definition legal? I would trust it if it were from Black's Law instead of Webster's.
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Postby CalallenStang » Thu Jun 08, 2006 10:57 pm

MrMustang1965 wrote:
CalallenStang wrote:
MrMustang1965 wrote:
couch 'em wrote:If all of a-hole's claims are thrown out, can SMU sue him for libel?
per Webster's...

libel: A false publication, as in writing, print, signs, or pictures, that damages a person's reputation.
The act of presenting such material to the public.
The written claims presented by a plaintiff in an action at admiralty law or to an ecclesiastical court.

slander: Law. Oral communication of false statements injurious to a person's reputation.
A false and malicious statement or report about someone.


Jtstang, correct me if I am wrong, but I believe that Vodicka filed the court papers himself (i.e. he wrote them himself) and they do contain some false claims that make SMU look bad. Could that not be classified as libel? Also...is MrMustang's definition legal? I would trust it if it were from Black's Law instead of Webster's.
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Libel, of course, is written defamation. According to http://www.chillingeffects.org/johndoe/ ... tionID=323, "The elements that must be proved to establish defamation are: (1) A publication to one other than the person defamed; (2) of a false statement of fact; (3) which is understood as being of and concerning the plaintiff; and (4) which is understood in such a way as to tend to harm the reputation of plaintiff. "

It all depends, of course, on what exactly he put in writing. That being said, slander is also defamation.

jtstang, any grounds to countersue at all?
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Postby smu diamond m » Fri Jun 09, 2006 1:13 am

SMU being able to countersue for slanderous acts is equivocal to a man countersuing for being wrongly accused of rape, as I understand it. And I don't think it's possible.
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Postby CalallenStang » Fri Jun 09, 2006 7:22 am

smu diamond m wrote:SMU being able to countersue for slanderous acts is equivocal to a man countersuing for being wrongly accused of rape, as I understand it. And I don't think it's possible.


Unfortunately, I think you're right.

Then again, the plaintiff in our case sued when a company he invested in went belly-up, so I guess anything could be possible.

Vodicka's picture kindof resembled this emoticon: :twisted:

This guy is twisted. Let's hope he doesn't cost us the library.
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Postby jtstang » Fri Jun 09, 2006 7:22 am

The general rule is statements made in connection with a legal proceeding are privileged and are not actionable in defamation.
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Postby Stallion » Fri Jun 09, 2006 11:31 am

the remedy would be to file a bad/faith frivilous lawsuit motion which I suspect might have been filed although I don't know. Possibly you could file a tort claim for malicious prosecution too. Otherwise, I'm not exactly sure which allegedly defamatory statement you are speaking of but remember that Vodricka is a party -not just an attorney so a defamation claim is theoretically possible. There are some limits too on an attorney although jtstang is right it would be a high standard. You would have to particularize specific written or oral statement not just the general filing of a bothersome lawsuit. The damages , other than attorney's fees, right now are pretty speculative since I'm not sure that SMU has any immediate plans for the property which the lawsuit is delaying and SMU has not yet been awarded the Bush Library. If the suit were filed by an individual like Turner it could be a libel or slander claim but if were filed by the university it would likely have to be a business dispargement claim-you know like Oprah beat.
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Postby SMU Football Blog » Thu Jun 15, 2006 7:22 am

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/dn/latestnews/stories/061506dnmetsmusuit.424fb77.html

They've gone over the edge. They want to depose George and Laura and Don Evans and Harriett Miers.
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Postby jtstang » Thu Jun 15, 2006 10:53 am

Ah, the Larry Friedman effect.
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And another twist...

Postby CalallenStang » Thu Jun 15, 2006 11:12 am

Thanks to the Daily Campus for this reporting: http://www.smudailycampus.com/vnews/dis ... 02c146c5fb

BREAKING NEWS


University Gardens case delayed


by Mark Norris, Managing Editor
June 14, 2006

The battle over University Gardens has been delayed - but not by Gary Vodicka.
Gerry Jetton, a man in his mid-20s who Vodicka claims has a one-tenth ownership in the property, filed for bankruptcy late Tuesday.
Judge Jay Patterson ruled that since Jetton has a claim to the outcome of the case the motion for summary judgment had to be delayed.
“I would rather err in the direction of caution than do the whole thing over again,” Patterson said.
The next key date in the condominium saga is June 27, when the two sides are scheduled to meet with mediator Louis Webber. Vodicka said that any results and terms agreed to in the conference would be kept confidential.
Another twist in the case is a motion of continuance that was filed on June 7 by Robert Talfel. Talfel is a Euless dentist who is as an additional litigant in the lawsuit.
The continuance was not formally addressed in the court since it was filed in the 134th State District Court instead of the 101st. It stated that “depositions of the following individuals are necessary before a thorough response can be completed and filed.”
Nearly 60 people and groups related to the case are requested to submit depositions – most notably first lady Laura Bush. The first lady’s press office declined to comment.
Presidential Library Search Committee members Harriet Miers, Marvin Bush and Don Evans were listed, along with Board of Trustee members Ray Hunt, Lamar Hunt, Carl Sewell, Ross Perot, Jr. and Gerald J. Ford. University president R. Gerald Turner was also listed.
Also listed were Chicago Title and Republic Title companies. Vodicka said he wasn’t at liberty to discuss his case strategy and could not comment on why those two specific companies were included on the deposition list.
However, Vodicka says all of the people listed are “fact witnesses” and have information that would help his case.
“If they are fact witnesses, then it’s not a publicity stunt,” he said of the marquee names listed in the continuance.
John McElhaney, an attorney representing SMU, called the deposition requests publicity stunts and a delaying tactic.
“From the beginning, their strategy has been one of delay,” said SMU legal counsel Leon Bennett.
In a statement released by Bennett and the university late Wednesday, he said Vodicka and Tafel are “relying on sheer sensationalism and legal maneuvering to divert the public’s attention,” and called the depositions a “desperate maneuver designed to frustrate the university’s efforts to have the court address the merits of the case.”
The court session, which began at 9 a.m. in the George Allen Courts Building, wrapped up in less than 20 minutes.
Unlike the February 21 court session, during which Vodicka was alone at the plaintiff’s table, two new lawyers were with Vodicka at Wednesday’s hearing.
Joyce Lindauer, the attorney representing Jetton, did most of the talking during the hearing. She informed the court that Jetton had filed for bankruptcy and that, therefore, no additional action could be taken with respect to the University Gardens case. Lindauer said afterwards that she was brought onto the case one week ago.
Jim Krause, a commercial litigation lawyer from Dallas, is represents Talfel. Krause also joined the case one week ago, according to Vodicka.
Both SMU and Vodicka were given a June 27 deadline to file briefs with the court regarding the bankruptcy filing. Bennett said SMU wants a stay for the single person, Jetton, so that the remainder of the litigants can proceed in the case. Vodicka did not say what he would mention in his brief.
Despite the setbacks for SMU, Bennett said, “We are still confident of the outcome of this.”
Two hours after the hearing, Vodicka was back at his University Gardens residence. A visit to the complex revealed that very little demolition work had taken place.
“You could move 320 families in here today, easily,” Vodicka said. Bennett says the university has already begun work to demolish the units by removing electrical equipment from the site.
The engineering report that Vodicka was allowed to collect as a result of the February session will not play a role in any further proceedings, according to Vodicka. The report was supposed to show that the complex could still function properly, but Vodicka and McElhaney say that the report is now irrelevant to any outcome.
Vodicka is leasing units to three individuals on Oxford Terrace, one of them Jetton. Jetton was not in his unit when visited and did not respond to further attempts to reach him.
Vodicka says that Jetton owes him $250 rent, but that he could not recall when he became aware of his financial situation.
“He hasn’t discussed it with me, so I don’t know,” Vodicka said.
Jetton was sued by SMU on January 31 for not vacating the property he currently lives in.
Vodicka also said that he had received a death threat from an unknown person(s) recently and that he planned to take the threat to Dallas police for fingerprinting and further investigation. He also said that Talfel had received a similar threat at an unspecified recent date.
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Postby PK » Thu Jun 15, 2006 11:27 am

Death threats??? Well when you are a jerk I suppose you can expect to get some of those. Of course he didn't specifically say the threats were related to the current litigation...now did he? :roll:
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Postby SMU Football Blog » Thu Jun 15, 2006 11:41 am

From personal experience, I can tell you that Joyce Lindauer is an idiot. And she is wrong on the law. The tenant is not a party to the suit. Even if the outcome has some baring on his lease, it doesn't prohibit continuing the action.

Edit: Didn't realize SMU had moved to evict the guy, so he is a party. You can remedy this easily by nonsuiting Jetton. But why the trustee would appear in the state court matter on the eviction is beyond me.
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Postby SMU Football Blog » Mon Jul 17, 2006 8:24 am

For those curious on the latest on the bankruptcy case, Vodicka moved to recuse Judge Hauser because she is an adjunct law professor at SMU. More delay. More delay.
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Postby jtstang » Mon Jul 17, 2006 3:06 pm

SMU Football Blog wrote:For those curious on the latest on the bankruptcy case, Vodicka moved to recuse Judge Hauser because she is an adjunct law professor at SMU. More delay. More delay.

It certainly appears to be abusive, but you have to admit it's an interesting strategy. The more you delay, the smaller the window becomes for the Dubya bookmobile, and the more likely you'll get a settlement offer, perhaps?
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Postby EastStang » Mon Jul 17, 2006 3:23 pm

That's all this is. An old fashioned shake down.
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Postby SMU Football Blog » Tue Jul 18, 2006 9:36 am

Hauser recused herself and booted it to Judge Harlin Dewayne "Cooter" Hale. Hale quickly heard the matter and lifted the stay allowing the SMU lawsuit to continue in state court.

Undoubtedly, Vodicka filed the Motion to recuse because he wanted to (i) delay the lift stay hearing; or (ii) create a grounds for appeal. Unfortunately for him, Hale moved his schedule to hear the motion at the regularly scheduled time.
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