Stench Of Death Still Lingers

mrydel · Post by **mrydel** » Sun Nov 26, 2006 10:20 pm

In a continuing effort to point out absurdity, when the real death penalty was stopped by the Supreme Court several years ago (prior to being reinstated) should we have monetarily compensated the families of all of those we had previously put to death? In case you do not know, we were guilty of the most outrageous, unparalled, NCAA crime in the history of football and that was after having been found guilty of crimes several times before. I can assure you that if any school cheats as often and as in depth as did SMU, they will get the death penalty. Our sentence has been the most positive argument for deterrence I have ever witnessed.

Glenn Sosbee · Post by **Glenn Sosbee** » Mon Nov 27, 2006 12:03 am

mr. pony wrote:Sosbee has a point - one I have made before. It's not making excuses, but simply pointing out some facts.

myrdel says if Texas or some other big school had received the death penalty- stop right there - that's the point. There is no way in h#ll that would have ever happened.

I agree we should be compensated for damages. It was a greatest injustice ever handed down by the NCAA. Local longtime DFW columnist and ESPN radio host Randy GAlloway has always maintained that.

People want to drop it? Why? The injustice has not been corrected.

Thank you Mr. Pony - You Get It.

Glenn Sosbee · Post by **Glenn Sosbee** » Mon Nov 27, 2006 12:17 am

mrydel wrote:In a continuing effort to point out absurdity, when the real death penalty was stopped by the Supreme Court several years ago (prior to being reinstated) should we have monetarily compensated the families of all of those we had previously put to death? In case you do not know, we were guilty of the most outrageous, unparalled, NCAA crime in the history of football and that was after having been found guilty of crimes several times before. I can assure you that if any school cheats as often and as in depth as did SMU, they will get the death penalty. Our sentence has been the most positive argument for deterrence I have ever witnessed.

There is compensation paid to those wrongly accused all the time. I don't know if families of wrongly executed people have ever won monetary damages, but I'm sure most would agree that they should. And if you think we were out-cheating the rest of the country in the 80's, you are just naive. We were made an example of. And if anybody thinks what happened at Rice stadium was "just not being dedicated to winning", than they probably haven't ever been in an SMU locker room.

jtstang · Post by **jtstang** » Mon Nov 27, 2006 7:53 am

Glenn Sosbee wrote:There is compensation paid to those wrongly accused all the time.

SMU was not wrongly accused, it was just wrong.

choedebeck · Post by **choedebeck** » Mon Nov 27, 2006 8:18 am

I would like to be able to lose a football game, and the fact that we were given the death penalty 20 years ago not come up. Maybe this is just me, but I think we should have stopped whining about the death penalty about 10 years ago.

mrydel · Post by **mrydel** » Mon Nov 27, 2006 8:38 am

jtstang wrote:
Glenn Sosbee wrote:There is compensation paid to those wrongly accused all the time.

SMU was not wrongly accused, it was just wrong.

Thank you jt. That is the point I was trying to make beyond the ignorance of the others. We cheated not like the others but well beyond the others and then we snubbed our noses at the NCAA and lied about it while getting the backing illegally and unethically by the Governor of the State of Texas. Trust me, although I do not believe the death penalty will ever be used again, it will be because schools have learned not to be so beligerant with their attitudes and will stop, at least momentarily their activities when caught rather than lying and continuing.

jtstang · Post by **jtstang** » Mon Nov 27, 2006 9:04 am

mrydel wrote:Trust me, although I do not believe the death penalty will ever be used again, it will be because schools have learned not to be so beligerant with their attitudes and will stop, at least momentarily their activities when caught rather than lying and continuing.

Good point. There is a reason for the trend of schools self-imposing sanctions when the NCAA comes sniffing around, because it shows deference to the NCAA, and the death penalty effect on SMU is the reason.

EastStang · Post by **EastStang** » Mon Nov 27, 2006 10:48 am

We broke the rules, repeatedly, covered it up, flipped a big bird at the NCAA and got hammered. We then systematically set up controls that made it so our program could not compete for recruits even if the program was run cleanly. The over-reaction has hurt us much more than the penalty.

Glenn Sosbee · Post by **Glenn Sosbee** » Mon Nov 27, 2006 10:43 pm

jtstang wrote:
Glenn Sosbee wrote:There is compensation paid to those wrongly accused all the time.

SMU was not wrongly accused, it was just wrong.

OK, wrongly accused is something I wanted back as soon as I clicked. That was dumb (drunk) on my part. No, we were not wrongly accused. But I will always feel we were wrongly penalized.
Cheating was rampant back in those days. Unfortunately, I am old enough to remember. SMU's penalty was clearly an example of selective enforcement. Surely you would at least agree with that. Furthermore, I'm not so sure that cheating isn't still part of college football. As a matter of fact, you probably need to travel no more than 40 miles west to see it for yourself.

Glenn Sosbee · Post by **Glenn Sosbee** » Mon Nov 27, 2006 10:45 pm

jtstang wrote:
Glenn Sosbee wrote:There is compensation paid to those wrongly accused all the time.

SMU was not wrongly accused, it was just wrong.

OK, wrongly accused is something I wanted back as soon as I clicked. That was dumb (drunk) on my part. No, we were not wrongly accused. But I will always feel we were wrongly penalized.
Cheating was rampant back in those days. Unfortunately, I am old enough to remember. SMU's penalty was clearly an example of selective enforcement. Surely you would at least agree with that. Furthermore, I'm not so sure that cheating isn't still part of college football. As a matter of fact, you probably need to travel no more than 40 miles west to see it for yourself.

PK · Post by PK » Mon Nov 27, 2006 11:04 pm

Pssst...there is a little button in the upper righthand corner of your post that says "edit". Click it sometime and see what you can do. :wink:

Glenn Sosbee · Post by **Glenn Sosbee** » Mon Nov 27, 2006 11:18 pm

PK wrote:Pssst...there is a little button in the upper righthand corner of your post that says "edit". Click it sometime and see what you can do.

My kids are right. I'm not very computer savvy. I'm workin' on it. Thanks.

PK · Post by PK » Mon Nov 27, 2006 11:21 pm

Not to worry, hands on experience (good and bad) is the best...it sticks with you.

Glenn Sosbee · Post by **Glenn Sosbee** » Mon Nov 27, 2006 11:30 pm

choedebeck wrote:I would like to be able to lose a football game, and the fact that we were given the death penalty 20 years ago not come up. Maybe this is just me, but I think we should have stopped whining about the death penalty about 10 years ago.

Lot's of people actually stated it would take 20 years to recover. Boy were they right.

jtstang · Post by **jtstang** » Tue Nov 28, 2006 8:04 am

Glenn Sosbee wrote:
jtstang wrote:
Glenn Sosbee wrote:There is compensation paid to those wrongly accused all the time.

SMU was not wrongly accused, it was just wrong.
OK, wrongly accused is something I wanted back as soon as I clicked. That was dumb (drunk) on my part. No, we were not wrongly accused. But I will always feel we were wrongly penalized.
Cheating was rampant back in those days. Unfortunately, I am old enough to remember. SMU's penalty was clearly an example of selective enforcement. Surely you would at least agree with that. Furthermore, I'm not so sure that cheating isn't still part of college football. As a matter of fact, you probably need to travel no more than 40 miles west to see it for yourself.

Selective enforcement?? If by that you mean the NCAA selected the most egregious cheater and enforced the death penalty upon it, then you are by all means correct. Have you ever read the NCAA's report? It is available at the NCAA's website and it is eye-opening.

I do not care what other schools are doing, only SMU. I had to sit through the death penalty years while I was a student, and SMU not only deserved what the NCAA gave it, it practically dared the NCAA to do it.