SMU faculty and Bush

[NavyCrimson]

Yep - well said. Spent some time in the Soviet Union that relates to your well-descriptive definition.

[Longtime]

You know, you can do a Google Search and find a lot of right-wing nuts proclaiming "HITLER WAS A SOCIALIST" or you can find some more scholarly sites that discuss the facts.

Yes, Hitler promised socialism. The key word is "promised." It was a way to get the masses, i.e. the working class, to be duped into supporting the Nazis. Hitler prodded the Germans' national pride (nationalism) and the despair of the working class (socialism) during a period when Germany's economy was in collapse and its national identity still wounded from World War I.

In reality, Nazi Germany was still a capitalist society. And in practice, the Nazis did away with labor unions, collective bargaining and the right to strike. That is completely the opposite of socialism. The workers did not own the means of production. In fact, workers lost power under Hitler.

Yes, the Nazi government did, ultimately, rule the economy - but it was a wartime economy. The U.S. government has also applied a heavy hand to industry during crises such as the Great Depression and World War II. The Nazi state highly regulated industry, but businessmen still owned and operated their companies.

The tyrannical governments East Stang sites are closer to totalitarianism, not socialism. In fact, there really hasn't been a true socialist government because, as he pointed out, the corruption of power that coincides.

As for the Hitler Youth label, aren't you trying to oversimplify the definition of "conservative" just a wee bit? Conservatives have been associated with trying to enforce their views on a lot more than abortions and same-sex marriages. Was it the liberals who were upset when someone tried to remove "Under God" from the Pledge of Allegiance? Was it liberals who were so angry when Janet Jackson's [deleted] was flashed at the Super Bowl? Did liberals really care if Clinton smoked a joint or got himself smoked by a White House intern? Hey man, just do whatever you want to do as long as it's not an abortion or a same-sex marriage, right?

I could cite just as many references to liberals wanting to enforce their views on everyone else (Hello, ACLU), but the point of all this is that these issues are much complex than simply saying Hitler was a socialist or that conservatives believe in complete personal freedom. It ain't that simple. Nothing ever is.

[NavyCrimson]

"... In reality, Nazi Germany was still a capitalist society..."

Huuhh, Germany has never been capitalistic nor has Europe the last 200+ years. As for the Krauts, whether it be the National Socialists, the Weimar Republic, the military, or whatever, these different groups have always had a heavy, heavy hand in the managing of their economy. That's just the German mentality & will always be. Those b&*&^$ love power & love dictating to others - period! Achtung!

If they were truly a capitalistic society with a moral (Judeo-Christian) foundation, Hitler would have never, ever come to power.

[OC Mustang]

NavyCrimson wrote:

If they were truly a capitalistic society with a moral (Judeo-Christian) foundation, Hitler would have never, ever come to power.

You're kidding, right?

[H-E-B Mustang]

Longtime, you're my hero. Thanks for your excellent post.

[Stallion]

"He is forgetting the Lutherans"

"Never mind-he's on a roll"

[EastStang]

According to the Iranians (and certain White Supremicist nut jobs) the Holocost never happened. Now that's revisionist history. Now which SMU professor will come out and adopt that revisionist line?

[Paladin]

Let's all settle down and just put into practice what we learned in "Nature of Man" class during frosh year.

[Ponymon]

You know, you can do a Google Search and find a lot of right-wing nuts proclaiming "HITLER WAS A SOCIALIST" or you can find some more scholarly sites that discuss the facts.

Yes, Hitler promised socialism. The key word is "promised." It was a way to get the masses, i.e. the working class, to be duped into supporting the Nazis. Hitler prodded the Germans' national pride (nationalism) and the despair of the working class (socialism) during a period when Germany's economy was in collapse and its national identity still wounded from World War I.

In reality, Nazi Germany was still a capitalist society. And in practice, the Nazis did away with labor unions, collective bargaining and the right to strike. That is completely the opposite of socialism. The workers did not own the means of production. In fact, workers lost power under Hitler.

Yes, the Nazi government did, ultimately, rule the economy - but it was a wartime economy. The U.S. government has also applied a heavy hand to industry during crises such as the Great Depression and World War II. The Nazi state highly regulated industry, but businessmen still owned and operated their companies.

The tyrannical governments East Stang sites are closer to totalitarianism, not socialism. In fact, there really hasn't been a true socialist government because, as he pointed out, the corruption of power that coincides.

As for the Hitler Youth label, aren't you trying to oversimplify the definition of "conservative" just a wee bit? Conservatives have been associated with trying to enforce their views on a lot more than abortions and same-sex marriages. Was it the liberals who were upset when someone tried to remove "Under God" from the Pledge of Allegiance? Was it liberals who were so angry when Janet Jackson's [deleted] was flashed at the Super Bowl? Did liberals really care if Clinton smoked a joint or got himself smoked by a White House intern? Hey man, just do whatever you want to do as long as it's not an abortion or a same-sex marriage, right?

I could cite just as many references to liberals wanting to enforce their views on everyone else (Hello, ACLU), but the point of all this is that these issues are much complex than simply saying Hitler was a socialist or that conservatives believe in complete personal freedom. It ain't that simple. Nothing ever is.

And I suppose Mao and Stalin were Capitalists? Hitler was a FASCIST and Stalin and Mao were categorically Socialists/Communists. In realty, however, all three essentially believed in the same thing - a dictatorship where they had total control. Find the useful idiots that believed in their ideas, use them for enforcement of their tyrannies, burn all the books to prevent knowledge from being disseminated among the populace, and kill any dissidents to consolidate their power. When the dictator finally gets his way he then kills the "useful idiots" because he knows that they ultimately can't be trusted. There was never a pretense of capitalism in Hitler's society or any other leader of his ilk.


BTW liberalism used to stand for an economy free of government interference in the marketplace. That is why Milton Friedman refused to call himself a conservative because he was a liberal in the classic sense of the word. Over the last 30 to 40 years liberal has been redefined by the politically correct crowd to mean control by BIG Government. For those of you who don't know what BIG Government stands for, it means reduced freedom and more central control, which are essentially what the far left and the far right crowds would take the society since both ideologies are essentially the same.

[ponyte]

Little Rock has the Clinton Library. It is great for the community. It has attracted tourists and scholars to Little Rock. Presidential libraries are not centers of undergraduate education. One would be hard press to associate UT's academic reputation on the LBJ library or Texas A$M's academic reputation on Bush I's library.

Regardless of one's politics, a presidential library is an asset to a University.

However, the faculty doesn’t have the responsibility to determine the universities long term goals and strategic plans. The faculty is charged with education the students. The decision will not be made by the faculty but by those who have the decision making powers and responsibility to make those types of decisions (Board of Trustees).

[Kappas Are Yummy]

From the New York Times:

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/01/10/us/po ... =permalink

[smu diamond m]

Did liberals really care if Clinton smoked a joint or got himself smoked by a White House intern? Hey man, just do whatever you want to do as long as it's not an abortion or a same-sex marriage, right?

I don't care about the sexual acts of anybody in the world, even less the president of the United States. I do find it ironic that the [former] president of the United States could take the stand and PERJURE himself, desecrating the constitutional bounds given to the courts of the US.

[Bergermeister]

Certain members of the esteemed SMU faculty think that they are important or "players" in this library endeavor... and they're not (and they never will be). They need to get over themselves. I think President Turner is handling this very diplomatically. However, I feel certain he rolls his eyes in private.

[expony18]

I loved being called a racist by my professor when I disagreed with her position that a certain phone book cover was racist. It was a great example of civil debate and discussion.

yellow pages is racist... because it's yellow?

[mrydel]

I loved being called a racist by my professor when I disagreed with her position that a certain phone book cover was racist. It was a great example of civil debate and discussion.

yellow pages is racist... because it's yellow?

More likely the "white pages".