Little tidbit on TCU & BCS

[Metropolis777]

Also, I note that TCU and SDS got a zero rating on Versus. 19,000 homes NATIONALLY. That's about how many people actually would show up for a game. Contrast that to the SMU -UAB game seen in 1 Million homes.

You do realize that the TCU/SDSU game was going head to head against a game that ESPN & ABC pretty much made out to be the "biggest game of all time" (the crapper known as Michigan/OSU) and the TCU/SDSU game was an ugly blowout by the 2nd quarter.

In contrast, SMU/UAB - which happens to be y'all's only appearance on ESPN in how many years? - was on a Tuesday night.

Of course the ratings were going to be significantly higher for the SMU game.

[EastStang]

And your excuse for the poor ratings against BYU which drew a huge audience of 200,000 in what would have to be the MWC marquee matchup of the year? My point is the Versus is not carried as a free option on most cable systems. ESPN is (which is partly why the NHL All-Star game on Versus had horrific ratings). In the long run, schools in CUSA which appear on ESPN and ESPN 2 will get much greater ratings and visibility than those in the MWC and Versus. TCU's only hope is that its out of conference road games get picked up on ESPN. And the bowl match-ups that the MWC has are not very good for television ratings either.
Will the increased national visibility of the CUSA programs help those programs leap-frog (no pun intended) the MWC programs in terms of competitiveness? I submit that it will.

[HFvictory]

Versus sucks.

[Corp]

[quote="Water Pony"]

..TCU has topped out.

..the move to MWC will hurt them

..it should tilt in our favor in FB

..I won't change places with them.



Clearly manifestations that lack reality and are in total denial.

[2112]

19,000 homes??????

[smupony94]

blah blah blah

[Water Pony]

..TCU has topped out.

..the move to MWC will hurt them

..it should tilt in our favor in FB

..I won't change places with them.



Clearly manifestations that lack reality and are in total denial.

Corp, no facts, no insight, no understanding. Denial seems to be your challenge. Being negative or assuming the worst is lazy. TCU is a good, even great FB program. But, that is not a perpetual motion machine. The move to MWC will be regreted. Except for FB, they already have.

[Metropolis777]

And your excuse for the poor ratings against BYU which drew a huge audience of 200,000 in what would have to be the MWC marquee matchup of the year? My point is the Versus is not carried as a free option on most cable systems.

I have no excuse for it. There are circumstances that contributed to that but the fact is that the draw was [deleted] poor. I will concede that not many saw our games this year. Our TV deal is very much a work in progress and I expect it to grow in the next 10 months.

However, TV deals don't make conferences competitive.......

Will the increased national visibility of the CUSA programs help those programs leap-frog (no pun intended) the MWC programs in terms of competitiveness? I submit that it will.

Prove it then because I don't see it at all. Competitiveness comes from winning on the field and on the court, not what television network you're on.

In the time since the conference shift, the new version of CUSA has produced exactly zero Top 25 football teams, a 4-7 record in bowls and 2 NCAA tourney bids, yes with Memphis making the Final Four. They'll make it a 3rd this year with only Memphis getting in.

Meanwhile, MWC has produced 3 Top 25 - one in the Top 10, one in the Top 15, a 5-3 record in bowls and 2 NCAA tourney bids. That tourney bid number will either total out at 4 or 5 this year as the MWC is very likely to put 3 in the dance.

So based on the 2 years of information for basing a conclusion on, it looks like not only has CUSA not made any progress in "leapfrogging" the MWC, but they have lost significant ground.

Like I said competitiveness comes from on field/court performance, not from ESPN.



And I'll save the rest of y'all the trouble. 21-10. Hang on to it because your days are numbered.

[abezontar]

However, TV deals don't make conferences competitive.......

I think you are ignoring the BCS, isn't the TV money that is going to the BCS conferences (through the BCS bowl games) what is making those "elite" teams so much more successful?

Wasn't TV money that brought about the fall of the SWC, and the rise of the BIG 12? TV Money is what makes conferences. I don't care how competitive the WAC (who arguably can be said to be more competitive than either MWC and CUSA in Fball this year) those teams will never have as much credibility as a mid-level team from the SEC, Big 10 or Big 12. TV money is college football today.

[ReedFrawg]

Nicely said Metropolis...it's what I was thinking but didn't want to research and/or type.

However, TV deals don't make conferences competitive.......

Will the increased national visibility of the CUSA programs help those programs leap-frog (no pun intended) the MWC programs in terms of competitiveness? I submit that it will.

Prove it then because I don't see it at all. Competitiveness comes from winning on the field and on the court, not what television network you're on.

In the time since the conference shift, the new version of CUSA has produced exactly zero Top 25 football teams, a 4-7 record in bowls and 2 NCAA tourney bids, yes with Memphis making the Final Four. They'll make it a 3rd this year with only Memphis getting in.

Meanwhile, MWC has produced 3 Top 25 - one in the Top 10, one in the Top 15, a 5-3 record in bowls and 2 NCAA tourney bids. That tourney bid number will either total out at 4 or 5 this year as the MWC is very likely to put 3 in the dance.

So based on the 2 years of information for basing a conclusion on, it looks like not only has CUSA not made any progress in "leapfrogging" the MWC, but they have lost significant ground.

Like I said competitiveness comes from on field/court performance, not from ESPN.



And I'll save the rest of y'all the trouble. 21-10. Hang on to it because your days are numbered.[/quote]

[EastStang]

Visibility is a long term thing. I think we'll know more down the road. As for next year, TCU is better on paper, we'll see what happens on the field. I'm certain the Froggies won't be looking down the road this time.

[Metropolis777]

I think you are ignoring the BCS, isn't the TV money that is going to the BCS conferences (through the BCS bowl games) what is making those "elite" teams so much more successful?

Well if you want to talk TV money. We are getting something like $400K more per team in the MWC than the CUSA teams are getting.

As for those "elite" teams, there aren't but a few. Texas, Ohio St, USC, etc. TV money might be helping them out. But, last time I checked, the rest of the BCS teams aren't sustaining any more success than we do year in year out.

[Metropolis777]

Visibility is a long term thing. I think we'll know more down the road. As for next year, TCU is better on paper, we'll see what happens on the field. I'm certain the Froggies won't be looking down the road this time.

Fine. Keep on looking down the road to everything. Maybe you'll find the wizard who will grant you your wish of going home. Meanwhile, I'm producing for you the only hard information we have to go on. It is stating that MWC is superior to CUSA and that gap is growing.

[Pony in Dawg Land]

ok bye bye